Iran humiliated as 'five ships FAIL to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf standoff'

MirageF1

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By the way

The British Navy???? can barely fulfill her own territorial and overseas commitments. Defence cuts, mothballed ships, staff reduction.....
Don't harp on foolishly...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/navy-numbers-crisis-leaves-ships-in-peril-hwfj3b28f

Royal Navy warships are being left tied up with their “lights turned off” because of a “profound” shortage of sailors, a navy warfare officer has warned.

Lieutenant Commander Andrew Livsey says the personnel crisis is so serious there are “barely” enough sailors to run four of the six £1bn Type 45 destroyers and ships are going to sea without people to maintain or operate equipment “that would be vital in wartime”.




https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/technically-royal-navy-growing-just-not-larger-four-years-ago/

“The United Kingdom will then lack the maritime strength to deal with the threats we face right now, let alone in the future. We are putting the MoD on notice that it must not let this happen.”
 

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This pic is from the BBC.

If that ship can turn like that at the speed suggested by the bow wave, the Type 23 is probably OK.

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Oh yeah, nifty boat the Type 23.

Frigates are such an essential class of warship. After the US Navy decommisioned the last Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigate they have been sorely missed. A gap they tried to fill with the undergunned LCS ships. The US Navy is launching a new Frigate building programme in 2020 I think.
 

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By the way

The British Navy???? can barely fulfill her own territorial and overseas commitments. Defence cuts, mothballed ships, staff reduction.....
Don't harp on foolishly...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/navy-numbers-crisis-leaves-ships-in-peril-hwfj3b28f

Royal Navy warships are being left tied up with their “lights turned off” because of a “profound” shortage of sailors, a navy warfare officer has warned.

Lieutenant Commander Andrew Livsey says the personnel crisis is so serious there are “barely” enough sailors to run four of the six £1bn Type 45 destroyers and ships are going to sea without people to maintain or operate equipment “that would be vital in wartime”.



https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/technically-royal-navy-growing-just-not-larger-four-years-ago/

“The United Kingdom will then lack the maritime strength to deal with the threats we face right now, let alone in the future. We are putting the MoD on notice that it must not let this happen.”
Yip, hence my sligh, little comment about the Type 45 Destroyers engine problems when the operate in warm water.

Britannia rules the waves no more.
 

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The type 45 Destroyers generally can't sail there because the water is too hot.
Looks like the Royal Navy disagree with you ;)

The UK is to increase its military presence in the Gulf by sending a second warship to the region.

HMS Duncan, a Type 45 Destroyer, will sail to the Gulf in the coming days after recently completing NATO exercises in the Black Sea, and is expected in the region shortly.

Duncan will operate alongside the Royal Navy frigate HMS Montrose, and US allies in the Gulf, but she will not be part of an international maritime coalition proposed by Washington.
Duncan will operate alongside the Royal Navy frigate HMS Montrose, and US allies in the Gulf, but she will not be part of an international maritime coalition proposed by Washington.
https://news.sky.com/story/this-is-...il-tanker-seized-off-gibraltar-coast-11761457
 

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I think they upgrading and fixing the issue, not that I know jack **** about this, just in the wiki I read as I was mildly intrigued by the warm water problem.
I had a look at the link, sounds like they didn’t have sufficient cooling for the turbine as it was designed to be cooled by water pulled from the ocean, as you say likely there’s a fix in place.
 

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Correct. Planned for 2020/2021.

They can still sail, had to put some temporary work arounds in place.

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/final-cure-for-type-45-destroyer-propulsion-problems-announced/
Looks like the program has been brought forward, I was reading your link and saw this linked in their twitter

HMS Dauntless will be first to have the Power Improvement Package. She is in refit in Portsmouth but is scheduled to go to @CammellLaird in October to have the engine upgrades.
 

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Iran wants a war. On land it's not bad. It's hoping Russia and China will follow. Putin would love a war, but China knows they will be isolated. Their military isn't that advanced yet, and they have neighbours that's not too friendly with them. ie Vietnam has defeated both them and America in War, S.Korea is at constant alert, Japan well is strong, but they would die for the Emperor. (he is their God). Taiwan has a vicious army too, so does Singapore (trained and armed by Israel). So China may think twice. Everyone has more modernized weapons than them, and even Kim knows it from N.Korea. However China isn't one to want to go to war, currently they are growing fast financially, and if all that stops due to war, it will be really bad for them.

Iran doesn't have a navy. They ordered fancy knew US ships but the new year the Iranian Revolution happened, and well all those ships are now part of the US navy. So on sea, they only have some battle boats. (Seems like the GLA from Command and Conquer). On land they are pretty good though, and they have defeated Iraq before. Remember also they are Shiite and the rest are mainly Sunni in the area. So they don't like one another.

So Iran may hope that Putin joins in. It will be chaos for Europe as most of their energy comes from Russian gas. They may try to sue for peace and not fight. And Putin may want this too. Remember he was in charge in Berlin when the Berlin wall fell, and saw his great soviet empire fall apart around him.

It's going to be interesting.

Israel may flatten Iran first, aided by Saudi and the other gulf nations. They are a lot more supportive of Israel as their local superpower lately. Make friends now, become enemies later. Also Israel is one of the big military gear suppliers in the area. And before the Iranian revolution, supplied weapons to Iran.

It's going to be a real mess there. Face it, if war happens, I wouldn't want to be in the UAE.
War with Iran will basically be what Afghanistan was to the Soviet Union.
 

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Then you go into war crimes territory.
We not discussing the merits or demerits of destroying Iran, that's another subject altogether...

Remember, Japan was nuked twice in '45, that wasn't a war crime.
It was a deeply unfortunate necessity to end WW2 (which had already claimed between 40-60 million lives) and even more loss of life.
 

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We not discussing the merits or demerits of destroying Iran, that's another subject altogether...

Remember, Japan was nuked twice in '45, that wasn't a war crime.
It was a deeply unfortunate necessity to end WW2 (which had already claimed between 40-60 million lives) and even more loss of life.
Nope it was used as a warning to tell Stalin to back off. Whether it a necessity or not is another thing entirely. The Russians were making moves to capture land in East Asia probably including some Japanese Major islands
 
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