[Ireland] Teacher who refused to use student's gender-neutral pronouns condemns 'insanity' as he is JAILED in Ireland

[konfab]

Where does it say the kid refused to say the Lord's prayer?

You were saying:

Hypocrisy by this religious fella if you think about it. Imagine the kid turns and say the same about religion.

In order for a person to be hypocritical, they have to be doing the thing they are accusing others of doing. In this case, the teacher is accusing the school of compelled speech. Which means that if the teacher were being hypocritical, the teacher would have had to been compelling his students to say a certain thing.

Since you postulated an example where the kid said something about religion, I fleshed that out into a more concrete case where it would have been actual hypocrisy, that is, that the student was forced to say something they didn't agree with about religion.

 

[Gyre]

They absolutely can be when they are done for the wrong reason.

If you actually believed that, then you would have no issue with the incarceration rate of black people in the US because all court orders are perfectly just and equitable at all times across all of history.

Who decided what is the right and wrong reasons?

 

[wingnut771]

Please explain this gender neutral thing to me. Maybe I am not mixing with the woke crowd but I really don't know. Why does the child want to be addressed as "they" ?

Social media.

 

[BuckRogers]

Social media.

Well I would have thought just addressing someone by their name could be the solution

 

[konfab]

Please explain this gender neutral thing to me. Maybe I am not mixing with the woke crowd but I really don't know. Why does the child want to be addressed as "they" ?

Because nefarious adults (who are amusingly almost always atheists), tell children that their soul is separate from their body, and that their soul has its own gender. When the gender of the soul doesn't match the biological sex of a person's body, it will be the cause of all the problems in the person's life because society is built upon the false promise that a person's soul will always match their biological sex. Therefore the remedy is to align the two by saying the person's biological body is wrong and must be "fixed". Therefore the entire of society must be remade such that people refer to a person by their soul's gender rather than their biological sex, and their body must be hormonally and surgically altered to fix this error. Once this is done, all the problems they will have, like depression, anxiety, sadness will magically go away.

 

[AlmightyBender]

Well it doesn't matter what he calls them, using the state to compel someone to say something, especially if that thing is objectively untrue, is wrong.

Except that isn't happening here in any form. I'm very confused about your confusion about reality here.

 

[BuckRogers]

Because nefarious adults (who are amusingly almost always atheists), tell children that their soul is separate from their body, and that their soul has its own gender. When the gender of the soul doesn't match the biological sex of a person's body, it will be the cause of all the problems in the person's life because society is built upon the false promise that a person's soul will always match their biological sex. Therefore the remedy is to align the two by saying the person's biological body is wrong and must be "fixed". Therefore the entire of society must be remade such that people refer to a person by their soul's gender rather than their biological sex, and their body must be hormonally and surgically altered to fix this error. Once this is done, all the problems they will have, like depression, anxiety, sadness will magically go away.

Thank you - I don't think anyone ever explained it to me so clearly.
I really was not aware of these challenges some people face - but I prefer my life simple

 

[wingnut771]

Except that isn't happening here in any form. I'm very confused about your confusion about reality here.

Why was the teacher suspended?

 

[Nerfherder]

Because nefarious adults (who are amusingly almost always atheists), tell children that their soul is separate from their body, and that their soul has its own gender. When the gender of the soul doesn't match the biological sex of a person's body, it will be the cause of all the problems in the person's life because society is built upon the false promise that a person's soul will always match their biological sex. Therefore the remedy is to align the two by saying the person's biological body is wrong and must be "fixed". Therefore the entire of society must be remade such that people refer to a person by their soul's gender rather than their biological sex, and their body must be hormonally and surgically altered to fix this error. Once this is done, all the problems they will have, like depression, anxiety, sadness will magically go away.

The soul does not exist

 

[konfab]

The soul does not exist

Transphobic bigot.

 

[wingnut771]

The soul does not exist

Okay, what is your reason for why trans people exist?

 

[konfab]

Except that isn't happening here in any form. I'm very confused about your confusion about reality here.

You are confused because you have your head in the sand. Teacher was suspended because he refused to call a person by their preferred pronouns.

Should everyone just abide by thing that they know are wrong?

 

[Gyre]

Please explain this gender neutral thing to me. Maybe I am not mixing with the woke crowd but I really don't know. Why does the child want to be addressed as "they" ?

I understand it stems from a desire to be treated as an individual rather than expectations based on their sex or gender, examples such as "you look like a girl", "only boys like to do that", restriction on dress code, limitations on tasks and behavior in cultures.

While it may be silly, there are equally silly expectations like being married by a certain age, having kids being seen as an essential goal, needing to apply to specific stereotypes, etc. perhaps it preemptively people wanting to break away from the norm?

 

[konfab]

Thank you - I don't think anyone ever explained it to me so clearly.
I really was not aware of these challenges some people face - but I prefer my life simple

Gender dysphoria should be treated like anorexia. An anorexic person is someone who believes they are fat, even when they are malnourished and have low body weight.

The progressive treatment for an anorexic person would be to starve them to death as you cannot disagree with a person's soul.

 

[Gyre]

You are confused because you have your head in the sand. Teacher was suspended because he refused to call a person by their preferred pronouns.

Should everyone just abide by thing that they know are wrong?

But not jailed? The jail happened later.

The suspension could also be less with what he did, and the manner in which he went about it. Teachers are suspended all the time.

 

[Some Eejit]

As if the reasons behind the court order don't matter.

Not following your logic here. The reason for the court order is him insisting on entering the premises despite being suspended. Pretty straightforward case.

 

[Gyre]

Okay, what is your reason for why trans people exist?

Because they can

 

[buka001]

You are confused because you have your head in the sand. Teacher was suspended because he refused to call a person by their preferred pronouns.

Should everyone just abide by thing that they know are wrong?

OK, so if he woke up tomorrow and realised he needed to abide by Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11) which prohibit wearing wool and linen fabrics in one garment and decided the best way to was to go to work naked, as he believed that wearing clothes is wrong, should he abide by the requirement to come to work dressed?

Who arbitrates on his beliefs?

 

[Cray]

Has the kid been sent to jail for refusing to say the Lord's Prayer?

Obviously you don't know what compelled speech is.

Where was he compelled? A requirement of his job was to refer to the kid by their preferred pronoun, he chose not to and was suspended... He is welcome to not use that pronoun he is also welcome not to teach at that school.

You do know that employers can have policies dictating the behavior of their employees right?

 

[Cray]

You are confused because you have your head in the sand. Teacher was suspended because he refused to call a person by their preferred pronouns.

Should everyone just abide by thing that they know think are wrong?

That is entirely their choice, he could either choose to stay true to his beliefs or he could choose to keep his job, he chose the former.