Is an eviction order going to leave a stain on one's record?

[Chicken Boo]

In the last week there've been some revelations at the property where I've been renting for the last year. My landlord's wife died recently and in the ensuing feud between him and her sister it turns out he's not the property owner (bank is), he's been living there under the P.I.E. act. Since he's been renting out apartments for some years he'd obviously exploited the provision and is now in trouble.
So apparently the PIE act will cover tenants that are renting there, but the bank will eventually move to court to evict all tenants. Is such an eviction notice something that goes on record somehow? Is it the same as a credit judgement?

Related question - how out of line is it when looking for a place to rent, to request proof of ownership of property?

 

[ToxicBunny]

In the last week there've been some revelations at the property where I've been renting for the last year. My landlord's wife died recently and in the ensuing feud between him and her sister it turns out he's not the property owner (bank is), he's been living there under the P.I.E. act. Since he's been renting out apartments for some years he'd obviously exploited the provision and is now in trouble.
So apparently the PIE act will cover tenants that are renting there, but the bank will eventually move to court to evict all tenants. Is such an eviction notice something that goes on record somehow? Is it the same as a credit judgement?

Related question - how out of line is it when looking for a place to rent, to request proof of ownership of property?

It shouldn't leave a mark on any record. Not paying ones rent could potentially leave a mark if the agency has the ability to list on a Credit Bureau.

It would be massively out of line to request proof of ownership (in my opinion) and would mean that I personally wouldn't entertain the person as a potential tenant.

 

[XennoX]

Related question - how out of line is it when looking for a place to rent, to request proof of ownership of property?

Windeeds. It costs some money, but it is an invaluable tool for looking up title deeds and what not. Less invasive than asking the owner.

http://www.windeedsearch.co.za/DeedsOffice/Property?ReturnUrl=/

 

[Other Pineapple Smurf]

If you are in Cape Town then you can check out the valuations roll. Not up to date for obvious reasons but recent enough to cover your basis before using WindDeeds.

https://www.capetown.gov.za/en/propertyvaluations/Pages/searchthevaluationRoll.aspx

Also you can check the ERF number on the Cape Town ISISV system. Aerial photographs and is used by the City.

http://maps.capetown.gov.za/isisiv/

 

[envo]

It shouldn't leave a mark on any record. Not paying ones rent could potentially leave a mark if the agency has the ability to list on a Credit Bureau.

It would be massively out of line to request proof of ownership (in my opinion) and would mean that I personally wouldn't entertain the person as a potential tenant.

I won't be offended if they ask for proof. A lot of people are scammed to pay deposits on properties to people who don't own them and then disappear with the money

 

[GforceD]

If he was illegally renting out the place, does that mean you could claim back the money he took from you?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I won't be offended if they ask for proof. A lot of people are scammed to pay deposits on properties to people who don't own them and then disappear with the money

Each to their own...

If a prospective tenant asked for something like that from me, I'd scratch them off the potentials list.

 

[xrapidx]

Also you can check the ERF number on the Cape Town ISISV system. Aerial photographs and is used by the City.

http://maps.capetown.gov.za/isisiv/

Has the wrong erf number for my property... maybe that's why they still think I have 120m house.

 

[Nick333]

Each to their own...

If a prospective tenant asked for something like that from me, I'd scratch them off the potentials list.

That's your prerogative but, I once signed a lease with someone who I later found out was sub letting without permission from the owner. I just assumed she was the owner. It put me in a position where I was essentially squatting and was subject to eviction had the owner found out. It clearly happens fairly often and you can't blame tenants for wanting to be sure.

As it was the fact that the lease was basically null and void served me well when I decided to buy a PIP house and negotiated free occupation until the deal went through. I just moved out and dropped the keys off. The "owner" didn't say a word.

 

[Garson007]

If he was illegally renting out the place, does that mean you could claim back the money he took from you?

Doubt it. You signed a contract and the bank will fight it if you try to pull out.

 

[Other Pineapple Smurf]

Has the wrong erf number for my property... maybe that's why they still think I have 120m house.

Thats not wrong, that is the actual data from the City. But yeah if you stills score but could could be a ballache when you sell.

 

[Chicken Boo]

If he was illegally renting out the place, does that mean you could claim back the money he took from you?

You raise a very interesting question there Mr G!

Doubt it. You signed a contract and the bank will fight it if you try to pull out.

The plot thickens... no contracts were ever signed. But since trying to get my money back would mean involving (more) lawyers, I'd likely end up out of pocket since I doubt the landlord has any money now - and will assuredly have less by the time the bank/court is done with him...

 

[Venomous]

You raise a very interesting question there Mr G!



The plot thickens... no contracts were ever signed. But since trying to get my money back would mean involving (more) lawyers, I'd likely end up out of pocket since I doubt the landlord has any money now - and will assuredly have less by the time the bank/court is done with him...

time to find other accomodation
take your stuff
then leave.

that way no one can claim your property belongs to supposed landlord...

 

[ToxicBunny]

You raise a very interesting question there Mr G!



The plot thickens... no contracts were ever signed. But since trying to get my money back would mean involving (more) lawyers, I'd likely end up out of pocket since I doubt the landlord has any money now - and will assuredly have less by the time the bank/court is done with him...

You signed no contracts??

Get the HELL out of that place, and do so now.