Is Covid-19 just a hype?

[buka001]

Any data on increase in deaths due to hunger?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Any data on increase in deaths due to hunger?

So far only doomsaying models, much like the economic models that are predicting the end of times (aka Dawie Roodt, IRR and Mike Shussler). I take it with a pinch of salt until we see some data, i.e. lack of meals, nutrition etc.

This whole debacle taught me again not to trust any expert with only a model or a scenario.

 

[Geoff.D]

That includes the CC doomsayer models.

 

[neoprema]

Best thing is to take every statement with "We know" or "We are sure/Definitely" and replace it with "We think" and "Maybe" because no one currently knows the exact information on this virus.
Just this morning i see in the news some country's have been assigning deaths to COVID19 when there was any form of respiratory problem without having tested the patient. So is the rate higher or lower?

 

[Verde]

The fact that he data is incomplete means it can't bolster anyone's case , the fact that you keep referring to her as wicked doctor show that a ton has gone over your head.

But surely you must also be happy that the wicked doctor's diabolical plan failed.

 

[Nicodeamus]

That includes the CC doomsayer models.

yes, have you seen the new Michael Moore movie about the scam behind green energy? Especially "biofuel" that ended up being chopping down forests.

I am not an expert in climate science or meteorology and the issue with all of this is that most of us have to move outside our field of expertise to try and call BS on something that others have spent their whole lives studying. Your hand is obviously tied behind your back.

After 9/11 we were all Structural Engineers and as an actual structural engineer, I still haven't seen an honest report that tells me what happened or how to design for it. Yet we are now designing structures to resist airplanes with what to my mind is a bogus money making scheme (it comes down to make the concrete double as thick).

All that we can really do is look at the models, the method, the outcome etc and see if there is some sense to it.

 

[Geoff.D]

If deaths are automatically assigned to covid 19, it feeds the system trying to justify the measures taken beyond travel bans, isolation and social distancing.

Just feeds the conspiracy theories. I cannot see the professionals involved doing this to the base data, but I can see and believe govt spin doctors doing that. The Media of course does anything to keep this thing alive. They are all thriving as a result of this. They have us all suffering from FOMO. We switch on the TVs and our favourite newsfeeds for every waking moment.
Our desire for "reality" shows dictate it. We revel in the miseries of others'

 

[Nicodeamus]

If deaths are automatically assigned to civic 19, it feeds the system trying to justify the measures taken beyond travel bans, isolation and social distancing.

Just feeds the conspiracy theories. I cannot see the professionals involved doing this to the base data, but I can see and believe govt spin doctors doing that. The Mercia of course does anything to keep this thing alive. They are all thriving as a result of this. They have us all suffering from FOMO. We switch on the TVs and our favourite newsfeeds for every waking moment.
Our desire for "reality" shows dictate it. We revel in the miseries of others'

Ultimately you will be able to pick that out, you just look a total deaths and see if there is really a spike or not.
I am skeptical already of New York's per capita numbers and a lot of these can come down to hospital practices.

My view is that regulatory authorities (after having worked for one) have tons and tons of checks and balances to ensure the integrity of the results. I worked with ISO17025 laboratory accreditation at one stage for cement and concrete testing, if the results are proven to be fraudulent then those in charge can go to jail. Microbiology had even stricter oversight than we did.

What is more likely is that the politicians, the media or whoever takes a number that is reported and they run away with it to create propaganda.

 

[Verde]

To be fair I believe it's simply a flu , dangerous to old and those with pre-existing conditions especially , though I do call it a nothing burger I am actually trying to show exactly what you said , governments have overreacted at best or tried to gain more control over people at worst.

Calling it Flu is inaccurate. It is an influenza like illness.
I have argued since the WHO published their report 2 months ago that the neglible risk to children and working age people does not justify keeping them out of school and work.
It unfortunately kills elderly people and other vulnerable people at rates 10 to 20x that of average Flu, so extraordinary measures are required to shield them.
Calling it a nothing burger and using misleading information to argue the above case like you are doing is counterproductive.
It gives those who argue for these draconian measures ammunition because it undermines rational debate.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds (Published 2020)

Only 6 percent of patients at one New York area health system had no chronic conditions. Hypertension, obesity and diabetes were common.

www.nytimes.com

back on topic.

"Only 6 percent of patients at one New York area health system had no chronic conditions. Hypertension, obesity and diabetes were common. "

 

[Verde]

If deaths are automatically assigned to civic 19, it feeds the system trying to justify the measures taken beyond travel bans, isolation and social distancing.

Just feeds the conspiracy theories. I cannot see the professionals involved doing this to the base data, but I can see and believe govt spin doctors doing that. The Media of course does anything to keep this thing alive. They are all thriving as a result of this. They have us all suffering from FOMO. We switch on the TVs and our favourite newsfeeds for every waking moment.
Our desire for "reality" shows dictate it. We revel in the miseries of others'

The excess death data from NYC, the UK and Netherlands I posted in this thread proves that covid19 related deaths are under reported.

So doctors are still doing a decent job completing death certificates.

 

[tetrasect]

Problem is the media are driving this whole dooms day scenario , sensationalist reporting and the SA government and other governments have also been swayed by the reporting , then along comes Niel Ferguson with his model and the WHO predicting astronomical figures , the people have been scared to death .
I have never said covid 19 is nothing but it is certainly no where near as lethal as the government of this country and the press make it out to be .
Simple social distancing and washing of hands would have slowed it down .
This government has thrown the baby out with the bath water .

To be fair I believe it's simply a flu , dangerous to old and those with pre-existing conditions especially , though I do call it a nothing burger I am actually trying to show exactly what you said , governments have overreacted at best or tried to gain more control over people at worst.

It was known from the beginning that it almost exclusively affects the old and sick. Nobody said anything about doomsday for the general population. So while I have never been afraid of contracting the coronavirus I sure as hell am scared that my parents will.

 

[Verde]

Ultimately you will be able to pick that out, you just look a total deaths and see if there is really a spike or not.
I am skeptical already of New York's per capita numbers and a lot of these can come down to hospital practices.

My view is that regulatory authorities (after having worked for one) have tons and tons of checks and balances to ensure the integrity of the results. I worked with ISO17025 laboratory accreditation at one stage for cement and concrete testing, if the results are proven to be fraudulent then those in charge can go to jail. Microbiology had even stricter oversight than we did.

What is more likely is that the politicians, the media or whoever takes a number that is reported and they run away with it to create propaganda.

New York's actual all cause excess deaths already exceed official covid19 deaths by more than 2000. So that debate is settled.

 

[Jabulani22]

Calling it Flu is inaccurate. It is an influenza like illness.
I have argued since the WHO published their report 2 months ago that the neglible risk to children and working age people does not justify keeping them out of school and work.
It unfortunately kills elderly people and other vulnerable people at rates 10 to 20x that of average Flu, so extraordinary measures are required to shield them.
Calling it a nothing burger and using misleading information to argue the above case like you are doing is counterproductive.
It gives those who argue for these draconian measures ammunition because it undermines rational debate.

You sure aren't clicking at all on this issue , you don't know any numbers for sure because medical policy is lying about actual deaths due to covid.
She isn't an evil doc , she is a servant of policy , federal government policy .

 

[Jabulani22]

It was known from the beginning that it almost exclusively affects the old and sick. Nobody said anything about doomsday for the general population. So while I have never been afraid of contracting the coronavirus I sure as hell am scared that my parents will.

And my feelings are exactly that , just don't trust the WHO , don't trust the numbers and the reactions by gov were too much WW.

 

[tetrasect]

New York's actual all cause excess deaths already exceed official covid19 deaths by more than 2000. So that debate is settled.

I think if anything we will see underreporting of covid cases. With the state of testing right now it's seen as a waste to test the dead.

 

[Nicodeamus]

New York's actual all cause excess deaths already exceed official covid19 deaths by more than 2000. So that debate is settled.

I was thinking more about look at a 5 or 10 year average and seeing how out of the ordinary it is.

I am not surprised that America is hit so hard, we all know how bad their nutrition is.

 

[borro]

 

[Verde]

You sure aren't clicking at all on this issue , you don't know any numbers for sure because medical policy is lying about actual deaths due to covid.
She isn't an evil doc , she is a servant of policy , federal government policy .

No I'm with you on this, those all cause death numbers from NYC, UK and Netherlands are obviously cooked as part of a huge global government conspiracy.
Alternately those excess deaths were caused by something else. Still waiting for you to post something you found with google explaining those deaths, but we all know that covid19 had nothing to do with it.

 

[Jabulani22]