Is Covid-19 just a hype?

[Jabulani22]

No I'm with you on this, those all cause death numbers from NYC, UK and Netherlands are obviously cooked as part of a huge global government conspiracy.
Alternately those excess deaths were caused by something else. Still waiting for you to post something you found with google explaining those deaths, but we all know that covid19 had nothing to do with it.

At this point there is no pandemic levels of deaths which can be solely attributed to covid , other deaths are also going to pile up due to cofactors such as people not seeking help etc.
I just want you to show me pandemic levels of death due to covid .
Not with covid

 

[Verde]

I was thinking more about look at a 5 or 10 year average and seeing how out of the ordinary it is.

I am not surprised that America is hit so hard, we all know how bad their nutrition is.

Finally there you are hinting at where the debate should focus.

There's no doubt that covid19 is shortening lives. Arguing against that just makes you look like a fool.

However I think a strong argument can be made that draconian lockdowns will cost more quality adjusted life years than the virus.

 

[Jabulani22]

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[Jabulani22]

Facts about Covid-19

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment.

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Never heard of this site but covid hypers don't read anyway lol.

 

[Verde]

At this point there is no pandemic levels of deaths which can be solely attributed to covid , other deaths are also going to pile up due to cofactors such as people not seeking help etc.
I just want you to show me pandemic levels of death due to covid .
Not with covid

Off course there is no pandemic. I'm sure you are aware that US pneumonia deaths have fallen off a cliff.

 

[FNfal]

This is interesting .
Only one ended up with symptoms .
"
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at a Boston homeless shelter.
The broad-scale testing took place at the Pine Street Inn homeless shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.
Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.


“It was like a double knockout punch. The number of positives was shocking, but the fact that 100 percent of the positives had no symptoms was equally shocking,” said Dr. Jim O’Connell, president of Boston Health Care for the Homeless Program, which provides medical care at the city’s shelters."

Coronavirus: CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at a Boston homeless shelter.

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[Jabulani22]

Off course there is no pandemic. I'm sure you are aware that US pneumonia deaths have fallen off a cliff.

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Selective reading diminishes comprehension.

 

[Misanthrope]

Problem is the media are driving this whole dooms day scenario , sensationalist reporting and the SA government and other governments have also been swayed by the reporting , then along comes Niel Ferguson with his model and the WHO predicting astronomical figures , the people have been scared to death .
I have never said covid 19 is nothing but it is certainly no where near as lethal as the government of this country and the press make it out to be .
Simple social distancing and washing of hands would have slowed it down .
This government has thrown the baby out with the bath water .

"I have never said covid 19 is nothing but it is certainly no where near as lethal as the government of this country."

Is anything?

 

[Nicodeamus]

From the centre for evidence based medicine.

COVID-19: Death Data in England – Update 25th April - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Jason Oke, Carl Heneghan Summary Consistent with previous analyses, the peak day of deaths was the 8th of April. The

www.cebm.net

Consistent with previous analyses, the peak day of deaths was the 8th of April. The structure of the data is similar across the regions, with the peak in London on the 4th of April, four days ahead of the rest of the country, the 8th of April.

NHS England releases data at 2 pm each day and reports daily count up to the previous day as well as a total figure. We wrote about the problems with reconciling the different data here:

Today’s reported figure is 711 deaths in hospitals in England. These deaths are distributed back to the 11th of March.

There are deaths reported for 35 different dates that are from outside the uncertainty region of the revised upward zone.

Of the 711, deaths 486 (68%) occurred in the last 7 days (in the uncertainty zone), and 225 (32%) deaths occurred between the 11th March and the 17th April.

This is the second day we have seen an increase in the number of deaths reported that occurred over a week ago, the majority of which occurred over 2 weeks ago. We do not know the reason for this.

The deaths have to be plotted for the day that the patient died, not when it was recorded.

If you do the same exercise for Sweden,

then you end up with April the 8th.



Basically the two countries peaked at the exact same time.

 

[Nicodeamus]

US Hospitals Getting Paid More to Label Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’ - Global Research

First published on April 15, 2020. Among 2020 Most Popular Articles Senator Scott Jensen represents Minnesota. He’s also a doctor. He appeared on Fox News with Laura Ingraham where he revealed a very disturbing piece of information. Dr. Scott Jensen says the American Medical Association is now...

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“Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.”

 

[harties]

The excess death data from NYC, the UK and Netherlands I posted in this thread proves that covid19 related deaths are under reported.

So doctors are still doing a decent job completing death certificates.

@Verde, what you've been showing with regards to excess deaths with more locations.

Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported | Free to read

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT

www.ft.com

 

[Hamish McPanji]

@Verde, what you've been showing with regards to excess deaths with more locations.

Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported | Free to read

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT

www.ft.com

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Is there a point to it? These guys are not known much for understanding numbers much

 

[tetrasect]

From the centre for evidence based medicine.

COVID-19: Death Data in England – Update 25th April - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Jason Oke, Carl Heneghan Summary Consistent with previous analyses, the peak day of deaths was the 8th of April. The

www.cebm.net

Would hardly call that a peak... looks more like a limit since the cases are not really going down.
And I guess you will say that it has nothing to do with the lockdown being implemented 2 weeks before that?

The deaths have to be plotted for the day that the patient died, not when it was recorded.

If you do the same exercise for Sweden,

then you end up with April the 8th.

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Basically the two countries peaked at the exact same time.

Actually no. As with the cdc data, the data does not get updated instantly so the graph will always look as if cases have dropped. If you look at the updated data there were 109 deaths on the 15th and 108 deaths on the 16th of April. Far from a peak.

Please guys, check your sources.

 

[Jabulani22]

Can someone compare NYC and Tokyo numbers ?
That antivirus guy may be onto something.
Maybe throw in Sweden too or Iceland .

 

[Nicodeamus]

Would hardly call that a peak... looks more like a limit since the cases are not really going down.
And I guess you will say that it has nothing to do with the lockdown being implemented 2 weeks before that?

Since the virus from infection to death takes between 14-21 days, then it points that the UK reached peak infection before or more or less at the time of the lock down. I was told on this forum that the lock down measures will take 2 weeks to be effective. The data isn't showing that.

We saw the same in South Korea, the country went into lockdown (partially as it was) as they were peaking or the peak was 1-2 days after lockdown.

This guy made a similar point earlier this year..

Actually no. As with the cdc data, the data does not get updated instantly so the graph will always look as if cases have dropped. If you look at the updated data there were 109 deaths on the 15th and 108 deaths on the 16th of April. Far from a peak.
Please guys, check your sources.

What are you on about? I am talking about UK charts, the CDC is American. Its the Centre for Evidence based medicine.

and read the article it probably explains it better than I do.

COVID-19: Death Data in England – Update 25th April - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Jason Oke, Carl Heneghan Summary Consistent with previous analyses, the peak day of deaths was the 8th of April. The

www.cebm.net

 

[Nicodeamus]

another antibody test in Colarado

Mass Antibody Testing in This Rural Colorado County Sheds Light on COVID-19's Prevalence and Lethality

The number of Americans who have been infected by the virus, which seems to be much higher than the official tally suggests, is crucial to understanding how deadly it is.

reason.com

showing more or less the same thing.

 

[tetrasect]

Since the virus from infection to death takes between 14-21 days, then it points that the UK reached peak infection before or more or less at the time of the lock down. I was told on this forum that the lock down measures will take 2 weeks to be effective. The data isn't showing that.

Yes, from infection to death takes 14-21 days, that's why the forum member said it takes 2 weeks. Obviously peak infection would be around the time of the lockdown.

What are you on about? I am talking about UK charts, the CDC is American. Its the Centre for Evidence based medicine.

First of all you were talking about Sweden and my reply was clearly aimed at those numbers. I even separated your post into 2 quotes when I replied.

The cdc data I was referring to was being discussed a few pages back. I was under the impression you were following this thread and would know what I meant, my bad.

Most of the recent graphs that you see have not been updated up to at least the last week or two so when you see a graph with numbers dropping toward the end of the graph that doesn't mean that cases or deaths or whatever are dropping.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Yes, from infection to death takes 14-21 days, that's why the forum member said it takes 2 weeks. Obviously peak infection would be around the time of the lockdown.

no, I was told that peak infection is 2 weeks after lock down. This is obviously false.

think about this statement again, London peaked 4 days before it went into lock-down. The UK managed to time their lock-down on the data of peak infection (ironically also the day after the first sign of cur-lover happened).

First of all you were talking about Sweden and my reply was clearly aimed at those numbers. I even separated your post into 2 quotes when I replied.

I still don't see the relevance of the CDC.

The cdc data I was referring to was being discussed a few pages back. I was under the impression you were following this thread and would know what I meant, my bad.

ok. lots of CDC data has been quoted all over this page. I still don't see your point.

Most of the recent graphs that you see have not been updated up to at least the last week or two so when you see a graph with numbers dropping toward the end of the graph that doesn't mean that cases or deaths or whatever are dropping.

So daily cases are up to date. Death rates are misleading as some countries don't correct for time of death or that info is processed later.

The point is that the UK's peak was on the day of lockdown, London was 4 days before lockdown. This is from doing the backwards calculation after the people died. So you cannot definitely say that its lockdown that caused it to peak, its most likely our immune system or a combination of other factors.

 

[Nicodeamus]

So I understand that comparing countries are difficult,

But Sweden and the UK had a similar strategy of herd immunity until the UK went for a lockdown.

Yet both of them peaked at around the same time? (I am talking about back calculating the peak day from the deaths).

Doesn’t that open up a few questions?

 

[tetrasect]

no, I was told that peak infection is 2 weeks after lock down. This is obviously false.

think about this statement again, London peaked 4 days before it went into lock-down. The UK managed to time their lock-down on the data of peak infection (ironically also the day after the first sign of cur-lover happened).

4 days is not a significant number in this context because the "peak number" is not much higher than the days preceding it or following it.

I still don't see the relevance of the CDC.
ok. lots of CDC data has been quoted all over this page. I still don't see your point.

Like I said I thought you would know what I was referring to. If you wanna go back and read about it here's a the post that started it all: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/is-covid-19-just-a-hype.1076823/post-25348165

The point is that the UK's peak was on the day of lockdown, London was 4 days before lockdown. This is from doing the backwards calculation after the people died. So you cannot say that its lockdown that caused it to peak, its most likely our immune system.

No. That's not how it works. People don't just magically become immune to a virus they have not been exposed to. Seriously you need to drop that crazy idea...