Is Covid-19 just a hype?

Nicodeamus

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So what was the success rate of the drugs used?

It depends on the hospitals , patients and time that they are treated etc, its the same problem that you find when you're comparing countries with each other. The devil is in the details.

if you have 10, 80 plus year olds that had 3 heart bypassess then I doubt that any of them will survive Covid19 no matter the doctor and treatment.

Here is a few stories. its all in https://docs.google.com/document/u/...QPEyM-aaXARUomR9Ww/mobilebasic#h.4kcwgytdrjmm
In São Paulo, the Prevent Senior hospital had 96 deaths from coronavirus until March 22, 2020. Since the hospital adopted a protocol of early treatment with HCQ, AZ and zinc, it has not registered any additional deaths from COVID-19 and had only one patient in the ICU. April 4, 2020

Of 3005 COVID-19 positive patients at the Méditerranée Infection hospitals (APHM/IHU) in France (as of April 4), 1818 patients have been treated with HCQ and AZ. Below are the outcomes:

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner in New York, treated his 700th coronavirus patient with combination therapy of HCQ, AZ and Zinc. Of these patients, 694 recovered with outpatient therapy and, of the 6 requiring hospitalization, only one patient died after, per Dr. Zelenko, not following his treatment protocol. April 3, 2020

Unpublished data from an open-label, multicenter, non-randomized trial in China of 197 patients showed that COVID-19 positive patients treated with chloroquine for 10 days had a higher rate of negative PCR testing by day 10 compared to controls (91.4% vs 57.4%, P < 0.001) and a shorter duration of fever (P = 0.003). Video and results slide here. March 26, 2020

In a review by the Italian Society for Rheumatology, 65,000 patients on long term treatment with hydroxychloroquine for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus showed only 20 patients infected with COVID-19. This is an infection rate of 0.03%. Of those 20 infected patients, there were no ICU admissions and no deaths. Compared to the testing confirmed infection rate in Italy of 0.33%, this study suggests that prophylactic use of hydroxychloroquine could reduce the rate of infection by 90%.

Chloroquine has been the one issue where the democrats and co should not have made it political. Trump was wrong to politicize it, but so where they for carrying on and claiming that there is absolutely no evidence behind it.
 
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Hamish McPanji

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It depends on the hospitals , patients and time that they are treated etc, its the same problem that you find when you're comparing countries with each other. The devil is in the details.

if you have 10, 80 plus year olds that had 3 heart bypassess then I doubt that any of them will survive Covid19 no matter the doctor and treatment.

Here is a few stories. its all in https://docs.google.com/document/u/...QPEyM-aaXARUomR9Ww/mobilebasic#h.4kcwgytdrjmm


Chloroquine has been the one issue where the democrats and co should not have made it political. Trump was wrong to politicize it, but so where they for carrying on and claiming that there is absolutely no evidence behind it.
So, of 3000 people treated, how many fatalities?
 

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It depends on the hospitals , patients and time that they are treated etc, its the same problem that you find when you're comparing countries with each other. The devil is in the details.

if you have 10, 80 plus year olds that had 3 heart bypassess then I doubt that any of them will survive Covid19 no matter the doctor and treatment.

Here is a few stories. its all in https://docs.google.com/document/u/...QPEyM-aaXARUomR9Ww/mobilebasic#h.4kcwgytdrjmm


Chloroquine has been the one issue where the democrats and co should not have made it political. Trump was wrong to politicize it, but so where they for carrying on and claiming that there is absolutely no evidence behind it.

Pretty damning evidence against those decrying the usefulness of the drugs mentioned don't you think?

And If you follow the hype, then because patients on ventilators die, ventilators also don't work either?

That is why we have doctors. We expect and demand of them to THINK about treatments and examine existing protocols and change them to suit the particular patient's conditions.
 

Nicodeamus

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So that's 0.5% ? Definitely not the flu
Careful with that number, it’s comparing apples and oranges.

He has a lower extended fatality rate, but that is because he also treated non severe patients. It still does not account for asymptomatic people.

The antibody test that he did in Marseilles (6000 people or so) showed a fatality rate of 0.3% for Marseilles.

Now his interventions stopped the virus from ripping and reduced the infection rate.

To take into account is that Marseilles has a hotter climate than Paris and New York and a less dense population.

The 0.2% value is an average fatality rate of the US during a bad flu year.

Raoult in his interview last night said that he is skeptical of the idea of herd immunity, since its a mathematical derivation. Basically there is no law that a whole population or part of it has to be infected before a virus dies. He is also skeptical of the R0 number and warns that people are reading too much into it.

Obviously some epidemiologists disagree with him.

He believes that viruses come and go because they are cyclic and we still don’t really understand why they do so.

There is also no law that we will definitely have a second wave and that we should take into account that it wasn’t the Spanish flu virus that killed many people, it was the bacteria and today we do have antibiotics available.
 
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It's just awful what's happening in the world right now. I recently read a story about a nurse who hanged because she had a coronavirus and blamed herself for spreading the virus to other people. It's really scary. A lot of people are sick, a lot of people just can't handle the virus morally and the limitations it brings into our lives. It's stupid to think it's just a hype. Who benefits from it? Countries that are losing money (heard about the collapse of the oil market?) and the trust of their citizens? Maybe the people, many of whom have lost their jobs and have no money to live? This is all really very serious and no exaggeration.
 

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It's just awful what's happening in the world right now. I recently read a story about a nurse who hanged because she had a coronavirus and blamed herself for spreading the virus to other people. It's really scary. A lot of people are sick, a lot of people just can't handle the virus morally and the limitations it brings into our lives. It's stupid to think it's just a hype. Who benefits from it? Countries that are losing money (heard about the collapse of the oil market?) and the trust of their citizens? Maybe the people, many of whom have lost their jobs and have no money to live? This is all really very serious and no exaggeration.

The virus and its effect on humans is not the "hype" in my opinion. The "hype" is about how the politicians are handling it. And that hype is driven by pseudoscience and the disciples thereof. The same is the case with the CC. CC is there for all to see. The hype around CC is driven by pseudoscience and the disciples thereof. They are the ones that get the politician's knickers in a knot and cause all the BS we have to contend with as a result.

IN SA, now that more and more people are starting to challenge the govt. by asking for facts, figures and rationale, what do we see? They pull back, resort to denying access to the actual data supporting their measures and
want us the blindly trust them that they know what they are doing. Well, we dont believe them, and everytime they pull a stupid stunt, we get more and more suspicious. Sooner or later the support will vanish, and they know it, hence the call up of more goons, because they know the revolt is coming.
 

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Brazil having to dig mass graves to cope with their strategy of it just being the flu, bro.


So did South Africa

 

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It's just awful what's happening in the world right now. I recently read a story about a nurse who hanged because she had a coronavirus and blamed herself for spreading the virus to other people. It's really scary. A lot of people are sick, a lot of people just can't handle the virus morally and the limitations it brings into our lives. It's stupid to think it's just a hype. Who benefits from it? Countries that are losing money (heard about the collapse of the oil market?) and the trust of their citizens? Maybe the people, many of whom have lost their jobs and have no money to live? This is all really very serious and no exaggeration.
Well she should have just made tiktok videos like all the other nurses if she was scared of spreading it.
The world's elite have raked in over 280bn dollars during this time.
If you think people aren't using this to get richer , you're wrong.
 

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Don't fall for the mass graves thing , NYC apparently dug mass graves too , msm failed to mention that it's actually pauper graves that have always been used .this kills the hype.
 

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They said murders is ok?
Nah but im sure you gonna post a screenie where they warn against murder and show a helicopper .

Edit - ill be generous if you can find a screenie of a way out of urban area killer picked up with this tech.

Ill provide bonus points for missing persons located too.
 
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