Is Covid-19 just a hype?

[Hamish McPanji]

No conspiracy when you guys all attempt the same thing , i get it you like me , now leave me alone or provide evidence of your arguments .
Helicopters used for state enforced covid fear - 1
Used for other things - meh we will do it for the press later

I didn't attempt anything. You succeeded brilliantly, though.

C'mon, keep going with this. It's somewhat glorious seeing someone destroy themselves on the internet, but I do have a dark sense of humour.

 

[borro]

 

[Jabulani22]

I didn't attempt anything. You succeeded brilliantly, though.

C'mon, keep going with this. It's somewhat glorious seeing someone destroy themselves on the internet, but I do have a dark sense of humour.

Right wing echo chambers never yield good results.

 

[Jabulani22]

That seems to be a very non diverse neighbourhood.

 

[borro]

That seems to be a very non diverse neighbourhood.

Orthodox Jews don't give a f*. They probably feel safer now venturing outside, at night. Cops galore !

 

[Jabulani22]

Orthodox Jews don't give a f*. They probably feel safer now venturing outside, at night. Cops galore !

Did you know that in certain areas they have their own police ?
Pretty strange .

 

[Jabulani22]

Much infectious.
So deadly.

 

[tetrasect]

No conspiracy when you guys all attempt the same thing , i get it you like me , now leave me alone or provide evidence of your arguments .
Helicopters used for state enforced covid fear - 1
Used for other things - meh we will do it for the press later

Also did you mean your particular right wing group gets the same conclusions ? thats an echo chamber bud , you guysown one not me.

LOL dude, lay down the pineapple. What makes you think they wouldn't use a helicopter to chase down a murderer?

As abzo already pointed out, there were only 2 murders last year and 1 murder the year before.

Here are some examples of them using a helicopter for "other things" (simple google search for tasmania+arrest+helicopter will bring up many more):

Men arrested after Wynyard manhunt

Two men have been arrested following several days' search in the North-West

www.examiner.com.au

Westpac chopper assists arrest

The Westpac Rescue Helicopter was in the skies over Devonport and Latrobe assisting police to make an arrest.

www.theadvocate.com.au

Helicopter assists in arrests, Coles Bay

About 3 pm today the Westpac Rescue Helicopter was tasked by Tasmania Police to search for a stolen car in the Coles Bay area. About 5 pm a green commodore sedan was found in bushland near Moulting Lagoon. A short time later two people, a male and female were located in bushland a short distance...

www.westpacrescuetas.com.au

 

[sand_man]

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Much infectious.
So deadly.

Some speculate COVID will hurt our hiv+population to the same extent it hurt Italy's old. How do you think our redundant public health care facilities would compare to Italy's state of the art first world health care facilities?

 

[Ragnarök]

Orthodox Jews don't give a f*. They probably feel safer now venturing outside, at night. Cops galore !

Rules are only for the Goy

 

[borro]

Rules are only for the Goy

Stupid Goy

 

[tetrasect]

Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic.

Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic

This phenomenological study assesses the impacts of full lockdown strategies applied in Italy, France, Spain and United Kingdom, on the slowdown of the 2020 COVID-19 outbreak. Comparing the trajectory of the epidemic before and after the lockdown, we find no evidence of any discontinuity in the...

www.medrxiv.org

Covid19 might be dangerous in highly dense areas (Italy, New York and London), but the measures taken by the governments do not survive when scrutinized.

This is a non peer reviewed paper and the author, Thomas Meunier (research associate at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution with a phd in physical oceanography) is clearly venturing outside of his area of expertise.

From the first page I can already see that the article is flawed as it asserts that Sweden's response to the pandemic was "no action at all". Starting out with such a glaring and wide reaching mistake, I would take this with a large chunk of salt.

 

[Jabulani22]

LOL dude, lay down the pineapple. What makes you think they wouldn't use a helicopter to chase down a murderer?

As abzo already pointed out, there were only 2 murders last year and 1 murder the year before.

Here are some examples of them using a helicopter for "other things" (simple google search for tasmania+arrest+helicopter will bring up many more):

Men arrested after Wynyard manhunt

Two men have been arrested following several days' search in the North-West

www.examiner.com.au

Westpac chopper assists arrest

The Westpac Rescue Helicopter was in the skies over Devonport and Latrobe assisting police to make an arrest.

www.theadvocate.com.au

Helicopter assists in arrests, Coles Bay

About 3 pm today the Westpac Rescue Helicopter was tasked by Tasmania Police to search for a stolen car in the Coles Bay area. About 5 pm a green commodore sedan was found in bushland near Moulting Lagoon. A short time later two people, a male and female were located in bushland a short distance...

www.westpacrescuetas.com.au

So 2 murders is ok ?
Any social media warnings by them except for covid camping ?
I get it you guys were excited but covid turned out to be fyre festival instead of the burning man you expected.

 

[Nicodeamus]

This is a non peer reviewed paper and the author, Thomas Meunier (research associate at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution with a phd in physical oceanography) is clearly venturing outside of his area of expertise.

From the first page I can already see that the article is flawed as it asserts that Sweden's response to the pandemic was "no action at all". Starting out with such a glaring and wide reaching mistake, I would take this with a large chunk of salt.

The computer the R0 number is not the most complicated thing in the world.
It is based on the Gaussian distribution.

Rather look at this method and criticize that, before you throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The Israeli scientist Ben Israel (a highly respected mathematician) made the same claim earlier this month. On average it takes 70 days for the virus to come and go, despite any measures taken.

The end of exponential growth: The decline in the spread of coronavirus

A similar pattern – rapid increase in infections to a peak in the sixth week, and decline from the eighth week – is common everywhere, regardless of response policies

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Jabulani22]

Some speculate COVID will hurt our hiv+population to the same extent it hurt Italy's old. How do you think our redundant public health care facilities would compare to Italy's state of the art first world health care facilities?

Even if we flattened the curb or whatever , these people will still die , it will just take longer and kill the economy too.

 

[tetrasect]

The computer the R0 number is not the most complicated thing in the world.
It is based on the Gaussian distribution.

Rather look at this method and criticize that, before you throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The Israeli scientist Ben Israel (a highly respected mathematician) made the same claim earlier this month. On average it takes 70 days for the virus to come and go, despite any measures taken.

The end of exponential growth: The decline in the spread of coronavirus

A similar pattern – rapid increase in infections to a peak in the sixth week, and decline from the eighth week – is common everywhere, regardless of response policies

www.timesofisrael.com

I think what is happening is that regardless of government measures, people are taking personal measures to protect themselves and their families. So whether or not there is a government enforced lockdown, people are still behaving as if a lockdown was in effect.

Going back to Sweden for instance. They have done things like closing borders and schools and are enforcing bans on gatherings etc, while most of the other measures (no non-essential travel, work from home, stay at home, social distancing etc) are "voluntary". But they are only voluntary as long as people follow them. The Swedish government has said from the beginning that if people do not follow the guidelines they will not hesitate to enforce them.

So you really have no population that is behaving as they did before the virus to compare to and hence why you can't deduce things like "the coronavirus declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it. ".

The virus spreads exponentially when we behave as we always have. It does not spread exponentially when we behave in a way that prevents it's spread. Simple as that. It really doesn't matter what the government says it's about how people behave.

 

[Nicodeamus]

The virus spreads exponentially when we behave as we always have. It does not spread exponentially when we behave in a way that prevents it's spread. Simple as that. It really doesn't matter what the government says it's about how people behave.

A virus does not spread exponentially, it follow a log normal distribution. This is just plain wrong.

Log-normal distribution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The cumulative cases is presented by a logistics curve

Logistic function - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FNfal]

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The modelling of how many people would contract Covid-19 and die was “flawed and illogical and made wild assumptions”, says Prof Shabhir Madhi, the former head of SA’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD).

It’s an important claim not just because of Madhi’s stature (he also co-ran the SA Medical Research Council), but also because the Covid-19 model, which suggested between 87,000 and 350,000 deaths, was instrumental in the government’s decision to implement a lockdown

The government’s initial model also predicted that 600 Covid-19 patients would need treatment in intensive care units (ICU) in SA by April 1. But by April 18, the last publicly released figures showed there were 32 Covid-19 patients in ICU.

While the lockdown would have slowed the spread of the disease, it had only been in place for four days by April 1, so this was likely not the reason why there were so few ICU patients.

Madhi says the initial modelling and fatality estimates were “back-of-envelope calculations”. "

SA’s Covid-19 models were ‘flawed’, says former NICD expert

And no-one is modelling the ‘collateral damage’ of the lockdown, and the impact of the economic meltdown on disease and death

www.businesslive.co.za

 

[Nicodeamus]

Why the lockdown weakens our immune system.

 

[Nicodeamus]

"
The modelling of how many people would contract Covid-19 and die was “flawed and illogical and made wild assumptions”, says Prof Shabhir Madhi, the former head of SA’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD).

It’s an important claim not just because of Madhi’s stature (he also co-ran the SA Medical Research Council), but also because the Covid-19 model, which suggested between 87,000 and 350,000 deaths, was instrumental in the government’s decision to implement a lockdown

The government’s initial model also predicted that 600 Covid-19 patients would need treatment in intensive care units (ICU) in SA by April 1. But by April 18, the last publicly released figures showed there were 32 Covid-19 patients in ICU.

While the lockdown would have slowed the spread of the disease, it had only been in place for four days by April 1, so this was likely not the reason why there were so few ICU patients.

Madhi says the initial modelling and fatality estimates were “back-of-envelope calculations”. "

SA’s Covid-19 models were ‘flawed’, says former NICD expert

And no-one is modelling the ‘collateral damage’ of the lockdown, and the impact of the economic meltdown on disease and death

www.businesslive.co.za

Everyone can now see that for themselves, but don't count on our politicians to admit that they were wrong.