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Sign up with GoogleIs It Necessary To Defrag Virtual Machines?
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Accessing the bits of a fragmented file from the specific disk format of the operating system within the operating system who's specific disk format is probably inherently different.
Wait, what?
Actually ... put each of the VM disk files on their own partitions (one per partition) on the host drives and you should never have to defrag them, because they're not sharing space with other files as they grow, or you could simply force them to pre-reserve all the space assigned to them, and then defrag that reserved space once. If the drive files on the host do not change size, they will remain defragmented.
But you will have to defrag the actual drive system inside the VM now and then if fragmentation starts causing excessive disk io's. The trick is to know when it's actually causing a problem.
Wait, what?
Actually ... put each of the VM disk files on their own partitions (one per partition) on the host drives and you should never have to defrag them, because they're not sharing space with other files as they grow, or you could simply force them to pre-reserve all the space assigned to them, and then defrag that reserved space once. If the drive files on the host do not change size, they will remain defragmented.
But you will have to defrag the actual drive system inside the VM now and then if fragmentation starts causing excessive disk io's. The trick is to know when it's actually causing a problem.
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Electromag
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Which hypervisor are you using?
But yes, I am using VmWare Workstation on top of Windows with my VMs on their own drive. there isnt much happening file wise on that drive so no defragging has been needed there for a while but defragging does need to get done within the VMs themselves. And yes, I have definitely seen performance improvement over when the VM files on the disk were fragmented versus once I had the disk organised and defragged.
But yes, I am using VmWare Workstation on top of Windows with my VMs on their own drive. there isnt much happening file wise on that drive so no defragging has been needed there for a while but defragging does need to get done within the VMs themselves. And yes, I have definitely seen performance improvement over when the VM files on the disk were fragmented versus once I had the disk organised and defragged.
Are you refering to the host's drives or the virtual drives inside the vm?
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kingrob
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A VM is loaded into RAM, so maybe you would like to defrag your system RAM?? Or just switch your VM off, then switch it on again. 
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kingrob
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bekdik, I SERIOUSLY hope you just started this thread as a joke. Right?
Of course he was, he was testing us all.
Electromag
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Ok, maybe I wasn't that clear. The VMs that I run have apps installed that do a lot of Disk I/O. So the performance gains I have seen have not only been at boot up (much faster once defragged) but also in run time as the apps are doing read/writes to the disk.
The_Unbeliever
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Nah, just delete the VM when it need defragging and restore from a backup VM.
Having said that, I got two VM's which runs 24x7, gotta put a scheduled defrag on them.
Having said that, I got two VM's which runs 24x7, gotta put a scheduled defrag on them.
First question is, as mentioned above, what software are you using? And what types of VM disks?
Host Defrag - If you are using a type 2 hypervisor and assign all the disk space to the virtual disk, then it cannot fragment and therefore does not need to be defrag'd (as with any large file created on continuous disk space). If your disk has been set to grow, then the performance is probably lousy in the first place, and defrag will not speed things up much. In fact, defraging the VM allows the disk to shrink, which will result in a performance decrease when the disk is forced to grow again. A type 1 VM also cannot fragment so there is no need to defrag here.
Guest - Defrag only improves performance in very, very few instances. It is very simple to prove and quantify. The virtual guests would benefit the same as a physical machine would from defrag; again mostly it will not improve performance. Be careful if you are using snaps, or shared storage. Defrag is very IO intensive and will reduce performance on shared storage. It will also make the snaps grow....
In short, the benefits of defrag are 99% myth, the "proof" of the benefits created in a lab under ideal conditions. Defrag is a total waste of time....
Host Defrag - If you are using a type 2 hypervisor and assign all the disk space to the virtual disk, then it cannot fragment and therefore does not need to be defrag'd (as with any large file created on continuous disk space). If your disk has been set to grow, then the performance is probably lousy in the first place, and defrag will not speed things up much. In fact, defraging the VM allows the disk to shrink, which will result in a performance decrease when the disk is forced to grow again. A type 1 VM also cannot fragment so there is no need to defrag here.
Guest - Defrag only improves performance in very, very few instances. It is very simple to prove and quantify. The virtual guests would benefit the same as a physical machine would from defrag; again mostly it will not improve performance. Be careful if you are using snaps, or shared storage. Defrag is very IO intensive and will reduce performance on shared storage. It will also make the snaps grow....
In short, the benefits of defrag are 99% myth, the "proof" of the benefits created in a lab under ideal conditions. Defrag is a total waste of time....
+1, Thank you.
No, what he said was, defrag is a waste of time 99% of the time.
If you are in that 1% margin ... it's most certainly not a waste of time.
As I said, the trick is to know when your disk IO's (especially seek's) are excessive because of fragmentation.
If you are in that 1% margin ... it's most certainly not a waste of time.
As I said, the trick is to know when your disk IO's (especially seek's) are excessive because of fragmentation.