is memory stored in the brain or off site

nocilah

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it has always intrigued me whether our memory is stored in the brain or off site. Where i am not sure, but after reading a lot of stuff on the subject it certainly becomes a compelling thought.

essentially our brain becomes hardware with a wifi connection to a pool of memory, which may explain past lives, thinking the same thing as a friend at the same moment, ect.

what are your thoughts?
 

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my thoughts are currently experiencing a downtime. please try again later.
 

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you got stuff in cache memory, vivid memories, and then you have filing cabinets which require time to access. the cache is like a series of pigeonholes for documents...you can just pull them out at any time and remember in which pigeonhole you stuffed it into

when your cache memory fills up, it gets moved to the filing cabinets using an algorithm of "most important vs oldest". you gotta search through the filing cabinets to find stuff. but most of the time you do not know what is there anymore firsthand
 

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you got stuff in cache memory, vivid memories, and then you have filing cabinets which require time to access. the cache is like a series of pigeonholes for documents...you can just pull them out at any time and remember in which pigeonhole you stuffed it into

when your cache memory fills up, it gets moved to the filing cabinets using an algorithm of "most important vs oldest". you gotta search through the filing cabinets to find stuff. but most of the time you do not know what is there anymore firsthand
but do you think your memories are stored in your brain or outside the brain?

as in somewhere else but not in the human body?
 

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lol, I definitely think it is inside the human body.

i doubt my brain is using offsite backups:)
 

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There is this idea of "shared" memory or the human mind as it were which is very very compelling, and does open up some VERY interesting topics.

There is also the idea that the single cells can be used to store information, which is alot more physically believe/"provable".. but still limits the amount of information we can store.
 

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Well the stored in the body(brain) there is evidence in the form of the development of neurons and neural pathways etc... but we still have less than no idea how it really works.

I personally like the idea of a shared consciousness. It just opens up some REALLY interesting debates with people, and in some ways it is a logical next evolutionary step for humanity, if we are already seeing hints of it in things like ESP and telepathy etc...
 

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the problem with these deep theories is that humans always want to use science as we know it - which we have limited to the physical world - to prove them before we believe them... i.e. if we can smell it, see it, touch it we believe it, when there is a whole other place out there. Modern man has (with the help of media pastimes) honed his physical senses to the point that we not only don't experience much outside them, we refuse to believe anything else exists outside this mortal body.
 
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Memory is stored in the brain. No specific memmory is stored in any one location but ones memmory is stored throughout the brain in an electrical state. I the past scientist thought that memmories were stored in a chemical state. They hypothesized that when forming a memmory, a unique chemical marker was generated and then stored in the brain. this hypothesis was supported by test conducted on flat worms. One flat worm was taught a maze. Once this worm had learnt to navigate the maze, it was fed to another flatworm which had never been introduced to the maze. it was found that after consuming the first flatworm, the second could navigaet the maze without having to learn it. This form of memmory could however not be said to apply to humans. the difference in the complexity, nature and volume of what humans and flatworms learn is significant. Also, if this was true then the brain would be much larger and heavier that what it in fact is.

Scientists performed a test on lab rats. They taught them a maze and once they had learnt the maze they removed portions of the brain, removing small portions of different regions of the brain in a number of rats. The rats however still knew the maze. Only once they removed significatn portions of the brain did the rats struggle with the maze. This was however attributed to mental retardation rather than the removal of the specific portion of the brain which housed the memmory of the maze. This led scientists to surmise that memmory was stored in an electrical state, that was governed by nueral pathways.

IMO, memmory of facts and raw knowledge is stored in the electrical state, while skills such as language are contained in the nueral pathways. This is why, as a child, when you are leearnign hard skills, your brain changes and nueral pathways are created.

One must also remember that there is short term and long term memmory. The THEORY above I think applies specifically to long term memmroy

Another interesting case, used to understand the nature of memmory, was an american man who after havnig been kicked in teh head by a horse was unable to forget anything. His brain could remember things down the smallest detail with 100% recall. This case study illustrated that as important as the brains ability to recall, is the brains ability to forget.
 

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I figure it is mostly in your brain, since, if they remove your brain, you don't seem able to remember f0kol!
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Memory is stored in the brain. No specific memmory is stored in any one location but ones memmory is stored throughout the brain in an electrical state. I the past scientist thought that memmories were stored in a chemical state. They hypothesized that when forming a memmory, a unique chemical marker was generated and then stored in the brain. this hypothesis was supported by test conducted on flat worms. One flat worm was taught a maze. Once this worm had learnt to navigate the maze, it was fed to another flatworm which had never been introduced to the maze. it was found that after consuming the first flatworm, the second could navigaet the maze without having to learn it. This form of memmory could however not be said to apply to humans. the difference in the complexity, nature and volume of what humans and flatworms learn is significant. Also, if this was true then the brain would be much larger and heavier that what it in fact is.

Scientists performed a test on lab rats. They taught them a maze and once they had learnt the maze they removed portions of the brain, removing small portions of different regions of the brain in a number of rats. The rats however still knew the maze. Only once they removed significatn portions of the brain did the rats struggle with the maze. This was however attributed to mental retardation rather than the removal of the specific portion of the brain which housed the memmory of the maze. This led scientists to surmise that memmory was stored in an electrical state, that was governed by nueral pathways.

IMO, memmory of facts and raw knowledge is stored in the electrical state, while skills such as language are contained in the nueral pathways. This is why, as a child, when you are leearnign hard skills, your brain changes and nueral pathways are created.

One must also remember that there is short term and long term memmory. The THEORY above I think applies specifically to long term memmroy

Another interesting case, used to understand the nature of memmory, was an american man who after havnig been kicked in teh head by a horse was unable to forget anything. His brain could remember things down the smallest detail with 100% recall. This case study illustrated that as important as the brains ability to recall, is the brains ability to forget.
the above doesnt prove much, especially the part where they remove parts of the brain from rats. if you remove parts of the brain from anything eventually it aint gonna work.

all they are proving is what we know. the brain certainly is used in recalling memories.

after watching a show on string theory it seemed logical that memories could be stored off site. however it would be difficult to prove regardless, one way or the other.
 

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But then one can argue to the other side as well. If your brain is the gateway to your consciousness in the physical world then how can you be conscious without it. :D
 

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Reminds me of the "electronic goods run on smoke" theory... when the smoke escapes from the capacitor, it doesn't work anymore :D
 

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Reminds me of the "electronic goods run on smoke" theory... when the smoke escapes from the capacitor, it doesn't work anymore :D
You must mean the genie that hides inside electronic chips. Once the genie escapes the component stops working. :D
 

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@ Halicon: What is string theory?

Not related to the above, I think that one needs to carefully define what memmory is. Does memmory include what one is able to recal, such as what you had for supper last night, does it include skill?

But as for memmory outside of the brain, I agree that it is possible. Athletes talk about mucle memmory. When shooting a basketball from the three point line, you will miss a few times until you learn exaclty how hard you need to propel the ball for it to pass through the hoop. This kind of memmory could be stored in the brain, but IMO it would make more sense for it to be stored in the muslces that are used. This is however a different kind of memmory, not of an event, but of an action.

Sometimes, when people have transplants they often acquire tastes for things they have never even eaten or drank. However, I may be wrong but I have not heard of any of these people recalling any empiral memmories of an event, but rather seems to have some kind of emotional respone. If the person died in a car crash, they may become adverse to cars or somethign like that. or feel a certain way towards something in the donor's life

It is undeniable that certain emotions can be brought on by memmories. Memories and emotions therefore are also closely linked. Technically speaking however, an emotion is NOT a memmory.

IMO the brain definately stores memmories in the form of an electrical current. Billions, if not trilions of specialised neurons in the brain form a complex network of neural pathways through which an electrical current is constanly flowing. However, the entire human body contains an electrical current and there are also nerves contained in the rest of the body. WHile these cells may not be specialised for memmory storage and recall, they may be capable of housing some kind fo memmory.
 

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i have a feeling that it is stored in multiple places, not just the brain. i believe the earth itself holds a component, the magnetic grid of the earth is sort of the transmitter and then their is your dna, but not just the chemical components, i think we'll eventually "scientifically" discover that our dna stretches into higher dimensions. in total there are 12 layers of dna. layer one...the physical is just one part, there are other parts that store everything that has ever happened, past, present and future.

its an interactive component of living multiple lives simaltaneaously, what you do in this life is "remembered"/"documented" as a memory and is stored offsite and can be recalled when neccessary.

this is all just a feeling and cannot be proved at present.
 
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