is memory stored in the brain or off site

nocilah

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@ Halicon: What is string theory?
to complicated to explain, but it is a new theory that has evolved which is marrying the orderly theory of relativity with chaotic quantum theory.

They talk of having up to 11 dimension in time and space that may have their own physics behind them.

interestingly complex.

so yeah no reason why one of these dimension could be our consciousness which we use our brain to tap into.

there is no proof that memory resides in the brain or in the body, but then there is no proof of it being stored elsewhere, but for me it helps explain a lot of the unexplained.

past lives, same thoughts, ect ect ect.

so the next question it raises is do we actually love in our body? or is our body simply an extension to what we are. An energy source tapping into this shell we cal our body.
 

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This really seems to be an alternative of the mind/body duality question.

Do our thoughts originate in our brains, or are our brains mere interpreters for our conciousness so that we can interact with the physical world?
 

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This really seems to be an alternative of the mind/body duality question.

Do our thoughts originate in our brains, or are our brains mere interpreters for our conciousness so that we can interact with the physical world?
the matrix seems more real everyday doesn't it
 

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after watching a show on string theory it seemed logical that memories could be stored off site. however it would be difficult to prove regardless, one way or the other.
Gee guys, well then why am I banging my head over here
 

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Don't folks get taught factual science anymore ???.
What is this mumbo jumbo about memory being stored off site ???.

Jeez.
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocampus

Memory formation starts here ... click on the links ... Wikipedia is a rather wonderfull factual tool :).
sure - lets see what they say.

ahh It forms a part of the limbic system and plays a part in memory and spatial navigation.
Psychologists and neuroscientists dispute the precise role of the hippocampus
The discovery of place cells led to the idea that the hippocampus might act as a cognitive map
so they are not really sure - okay so much for the factual tool.

There is no hard evidence where memories are stored. And i didnt pull this idea out of the air (no pun intended) it is a new thought.

Unfortunately not much is known about the brain so it is difficult for anyone to be correct in any studies right now.
 

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My opinion- I think it's unlikely that some, if not all, memories are stored 'off-site'.
 

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i think peeps are getting confused.

offcourse the brain is used for reviewing and previewing memories, but is it stored in the brain? what seems so difficult about memory being stored off site?

inspiration comes externally?

most emotions triggered externally?

when you come up with an idea? how did it come about?

does thought = electricity in the brain? does thought = substance?

we know little of the brain or how it works.
 

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There is no hard evidence where memories are stored.
Most rational research state clearly that memories are formed and stored in your brain but the exact mechanism used for recording them and long term retention and recall is rather unclear at this stage.

Any other theory is a bunch of balony or belong in the realm of cheesy science fiction novels.

Core of the Earth ... ag please ... what do people smoke these days ???.

We know for a fact what damage to the hippocampus does i.e see the documented case of Patient HM.

As it turns out, the hippocampus is crucial for memory storage. When he lost his hippocampi, Henry became frozen in 1953, remembering very well the events before his operation but unable to create any new memories
For more info

http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/hm-memory
 
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Most rational research state clearly that memories are formed and stored in your brain but the exact mechanism used for recording them and long term retention and recall is rather unclear at this stage.
obvioulsy recording needs to happen with the eyes and brain - i do agree

Any other theory is a bunch of balony or belong in the realm of cheesy science fiction novels.
they said the same thing when Nikola was talking about RF signals at a science convention in the early 1900's.

but lets see what has been discovered?

The birth of the modern era of memory research is often pegged to the publication, in 1957,of an account of the neurological patient H.M. At age 27, H.M. had large chunks of the temporal lobes of his brain surgically removed in a last-ditch effort to relieve chronic epilepsy. The surgery worked, but it left H.M. unable to remember anything that happened--or anyone he met--after his surgery. The case showed that the medial temporal lobes (MTL), which include the hippocampus, are crucial for making new memories. H.M.'s case also revealed, on closer examination, that memory is not a monolith: Given a tricky mirror drawing task, H.M.'s performance improved steadily over 3 days even though he had no memory of his previous practice. Remembering how is not the same as remembering what, as far as the brain is concerned.

Thanks to experiments on animals and the advent of human brain imaging, scientists now have a working knowledge of the various kinds of memory as well as which parts of the brain are involved in each. But persistent gaps remain. Although the MTL has indeed proved critical for declarative memory--the recollection of facts and events--the region remains something of a black box. How its various components interact during memory encoding and retrieval is unresolved. Moreover, the MTL is not the final repository of declarative memories. Such memories are apparently filed to the cerebral cortex for long-term storage, but how this happens, and how memories are represented in the cortex, remains unclear.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/309/5731/92 <-- source

phew - sounds like they dont really know yet.
 

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The quantum mind theory is founded on the premise that quantum theory is necessary to fully understand the mind and brain, particularly concerning an explanation of consciousness.

This does not imply that classical mechanics can explain consciousness, but that quantum effects including superposition and entanglement are insignificant. Quantum chemistry is required to understand the actions of neurotransmitters, for example.

Quantum mind

and interesting discussion:

Consciousness causes collapse
 
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The quantum mind theory is founded on the premise that quantum theory is necessary to fully understand the mind and brain, particularly concerning an explanation of consciousness.

This does not imply that classical mechanics can explain consciousness, but that quantum effects including superposition and entanglement are insignificant. Quantum chemistry is required to understand the actions of neurotransmitters, for example.

Quantum mind
which ties in rather nice with string theory.
 

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Esse est Percipi ("to be is to be perceived"): The idea of consciousness somehow being related to the creation of reality was first proposed by Bishop Berkeley. With the publication of Die Mathematische Grundlagen der Quantenmechanik, it was Von Neumann however who became the first person to hint that Quantum theory may imply an active role for consciousness in the process of reality creation. Others, such as Walter Heitler, Fritz London, Edmond Bauer, and Eugene Wigner further carried Von Neumann's argument to a claimed logical conclusion that consciousness-created reality is the inevitable outcome of Von Neumann's picture of quantum theory.
Consciousness causes collapse

so much to read, so little time :)

and: Greg Egan's novel Quarantine is a great book!
 
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An even better model: Holographic Universe

Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality. Pribram was drawn to the holographic model by the puzzle of how and where memories are stored in the brain. For decades numerous studies have shown that rather than being confined to a specific location, memories are dispersed throughout the brain.
 

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An even better model: Holographic Universe

Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality. Pribram was drawn to the holographic model by the puzzle of how and where memories are stored in the brain. For decades numerous studies have shown that rather than being confined to a specific location, memories are dispersed throughout the brain.
i've read about this before, its a pretty good concept....it takes a while to really think you understand and grasp its true meaning.

i think people get confused between the reason something happens and the how something happens.

i think what ever process in the brain brings a memmory to consciousness is the "how" part in this dimension/reality.

it follows the reason which lies in the the higher dimensions/realities.
 

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If memories are physically stored in the brain, then there is a finite amount of 'space' in which to store memories. There is a limit.
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