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Is Microsoft taking a bite out of Apple?
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TimTDP
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But you can't do a full sync (mail, contacts, tasks) between Outlook and Windows 8 mobile. You can only do it if you have Exchange or a 3rd party application. And in some instances it must be done via the Cloud and not simply via wi-fi or usb.
This, to me anyway, is a epic fail, and one (and probably the primary) reason that I no longer keen to upgrade my PC to Windows 8 and ditch my Android phone for a WP8 phone. I was so looking forward to having one eco system for Outlook that worked for my PC, phone and tablet.
rwenzori
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All Windows 8 is going to do is increase Apple's sales, samey-samey like Vista did.
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The difference between Apple and Microsoft: Apple makes products for the exclusive elite while Microsoft makes products for people
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"Exclusive elite" you say... Am I going to need a publicist then?
Back OT 'tho, not so sure I'd be making any big bets on MS right now. Google make products for people as well and, while I'll be sticking to Apple, I think the race to convergence between MS with Windows 8 and whatever follows and Google with Android and Chrome could be quite interesting to watch.
McCrazieGoalz
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R13...
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The surface is slightly heavier than the iPad though. You will need muscles for the pro version as well weighs near a kilo
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McCrazieGoalz
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I wonder what the correlation between Apple device owners and their complaints about being knocked over by the wind is?
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What about the android 'fans', they swear by the smaller 7" Nexus because it lighted than a 9.7" tablet? Lower than wimps clearly, but where on the alf and mc'crazy scale?
McCrazieGoalz
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I tend to agree with @mmmig. People who own Apple products often do not bring their devices to work because it is a clear show of opulence. In my opinion, this is what won people over to the iPad and iPhone in the first place since Apple had failed to prove its worth in the productivity environment. Rather than go for something that people really need to use, rather go for conspicuous consumption (or even worse - invidious consumption) goods. In my studies of economics in varsity I learnt that conspicuous consumption goods have little to do with rationality but more to do with a demonstration of what they can and have acquired - something opulent.
So, for me, Apple's success has been in the conspicuous consumption market.
As for Google's Android. How can it integrate its operating system when it only has one type of device that is successful. The smartphone. Android tablets are invidious consumption goods and are failing at it too.
Microsoft's new OS will succeed because everybody thought they (MS) were crazy to introduce touchscreen to PCs - how dare they introduce such technologically advanced devices when we are watching our bottom line with what we have? Until Apple targeted people with significant amounts of cash (influential ones) who we all know often go nuts with their spending. Of course it is only nuts to us mere mortals who have to think a little more carefully about what we buy and how useful it is to our lives.
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Ou grote
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I wouldn't know, I have the 1st gen iPad which is as light as a feather to me.
McCrazieGoalz
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Bearing in mind that Microsoft's Window 8 is not only about the Surface, there are a number of Win8 devices that are significantly lighter than the iPad. This weight issue is really not a matter of concern IMO.
Unless of course if you have got nothing else to offer as an argument.
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:erm: I was responding to your own post to the guy who said the surface is bulky and heavy:wtf:
It's actually full of many deeply flawed assumptions and is seriously one dimensional. I would be vary wary of investing anything with these guys. The most prominent flaw in this incredibly long winded argument is that Windows 8 sucks.
I've been trying to use it for a while now and the concessions that they have taken to make it work on both tablet and desktop make for a highly flawed user experience. Pretty much every step on the pc that used to take two clicks now takes 3 or an additional search.
The other issue I have is that in a recent survey in a Mary Meeker presentation showed that out of the top twenty devices craved by kid's in the US 4 of the top 5 were apple devices. The slate was at number 18, and that is the next generation of buyers.
I've been trying to use it for a while now and the concessions that they have taken to make it work on both tablet and desktop make for a highly flawed user experience. Pretty much every step on the pc that used to take two clicks now takes 3 or an additional search.
The other issue I have is that in a recent survey in a Mary Meeker presentation showed that out of the top twenty devices craved by kid's in the US 4 of the top 5 were apple devices. The slate was at number 18, and that is the next generation of buyers.
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McCrazieGoalz
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Alright. After reading your post I see you were trying to say that the difference in weight between the iPad and the Surface is insignificant. Which is the point I was making.
I really think the weight matter is really not significant enough to consider it an issue. Watch Gizmodo getting embarrased by thier own best smartphone for 2012 poll after they trashed the Lumia 920 on weight and nothing else.
McCrazieGoalz
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Your arguements are flawed becoz of the following:
- People are still divided about how good Win8 is. Sure you don't like Win8 but hundreds of millions others like it or will like it. Myself included. TheVerge.com for instance gives it a score of 8.0 compared to Samsung's Chromebook which the gave a score close to 6.0 or 6.9. Can't remember. Point is, TheVerge feels that Win8 is a great OS despite you not liking it.
- the other point is that, the speculation (research) you talk about shows us what currently is. It doesn't tell us or say in which direction the tide is turning, which is what this article is all about. It points out a few signs, like the drop in Apple's stock's price and the poor products that Apple has produced lately.
Other signs of the turning tide are the endless reports of the Lumia 920 being sold out because of low stock and high demand. Here, you need to ask yourself what low stock is and what high demand is. Estimates are now that WP8 will sell at least 10million devices this quarter. Nokia will have at least 70% of the sales.
Another sign is that Microsoft's OEMs have admitted recently that they underestimated the demand for touchscreen computers thus the low sales of Win8 devices. From an on the ground experience, I have been to many shops in which both the Lumia 920 and Win8 new form factor devices were all backordered or out of stock as they had been sold out. The Samsung Smart PC just might revolutionise the PC industry. I'd go a s far as saying that if Apple doesn't follow suit, they are going to lose badly to MS.
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grim
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Go to the gym, it'll do you some good if you can't hold 1kg in your hands.