Is naming a child 'Hitler' Child abuse?

[Slaine73]

I am still under the opinion that someone needs to invade France

LOL Have to agree with you there man!

 

[PeterCH]

It's easy to put a gag order in place in Germany banning any mention of Hitler and the Nazi's. This alone has killed all there was to the greatness that was Hitler before the Genecide. Most people outside of Germany and German heritage will never know who Hitler really was.

Ummm look. You're going the other way now. Hitler was a murderous, racist scumbag. That's what he was. He was an astute politican but when we say he was great we don't mean he was great in the 'benevolent sense'. He invaded countries and executed civilians and the Germans fought a dirty war under his guidance. They also got off lightly after the war in comparison to their neighbours, all thanks to the Soviet Union, their 1939 ally. The way Germany treated people in the occupied lands was shameful. No-one else except perhaps Pol Pot has come close. Even the Soviets who murdered millions more people did it in a less
efficient and less organised way.

General Yamamoto even refused to meet with Hitler.

 

[DagegeN]

I am still under the opinion that someone needs to invade France

Lets make French Fries

 

[w1z4rd]

There was no way in hell Germany was ever ganna win World War 2.

 

[PeterCH]

There was no way in hell Germany was ever ganna win World War 2.

It was possible. Soviet Union was able to survive thanks to the help of the United States. Had that not come, and the Japanese not signed an armistice with the Soviet Union - the SU would have fallen. France (Vichy), Spain, Italy, Romania, Austria, Hungary and Ukraine were all open German allies.
Even in Russia, an army of over a million men defected to the Germans.

The problem of course was:

1. Germany under the Nazis treated occupied populations with incredible hate.
Hence they were hated even more by the Russias, Byelorussians and others than even Stalin's gang. Germany could have capitalised on the cruelty the Russians and other nationalities were exposed to from Stalin. They didn't -- they were in fact even more cruel.
2. Germany got the US involved in the war.

Had these two elements been different, had the Wehrmacht been able to forget their ethnic hatred of people to the east of them and the US coming into the war could have been delayed, and the Japanese had been more
helpful (instead of thinking of their own interests first) then Germany would
probably have WON WW2.

 

[w1z4rd]

Berlin was in nuke range. Russia is the world largest country... you cant compare it to Germany. If Germany has being in the middle of Russia... yeah.. it might have being safe. But it did not have the industrial power or nuclear ability of the US. It would have being nuked.

 

[PeterCH]

Berlin was in nuke range. Russia is the world largest country... you cant compare it to Germany. If Germany has being in the middle of Russia... yeah.. it might have being safe. But it did not have the industrial power or nuclear ability of the US. It would have being nuked.

The US was split about entering the War against Germany. Remember many politicians and influential people at that time in the US were of German descent. People or Irish descent were hostile towards Britain and were in fact in favour of Hitler winning
to give it to the Brits.

Some conspiracy theorists or fringe historians suggest that FDR,
encouraged Japan to attack Peal Harbour to get the US into the war, because
otherwise they wouldn't have.

 

[w1z4rd]

The US was split about entering the War against Germany. Remember many politicians and influential people at that time in the US were of German descent.

You are very very very right! There was an active American Nazi Party who supported Hitler! Now this is where the information gets interesting. Guess who some of these really influential people are? Hehe.. you are ganna love this:

"How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Wow.. check that out.. the Grand daddy of Bush profited off a war... Bush Snr made loot off a war... and Jnr towed the family line. Are you able to join the dots?

People or Irish descent were hostile towards Britain and were in fact in favour of Hitler winning
to give it to the Brits.

The Irish are known world wide as the voice of reason

 

[Slaine73]

The Irish are known world wide as the voice of reason

Hey be very careful now, we Scots and Irish are the only truly reasonable people on this earth!

 

[w1z4rd]

Hey be very careful now, we Scots and Irish are the only truly reasonable people on this earth!

So it must appear to you

 

[Slaine73]

So it must appear to you

Especially after a few glasses of scotch

 

[w1z4rd]

Especially after a few glasses of scotch

Hehe

 

[Claymore]

He was a great leader (notwithstanding that he was a mass murderer). He came from obscurity and managed to get himself elected Chancellor. His party had the majority. He also eliminated enemies within his own party (got rid of Rohm and the SA leadership).

He certainly didn't get elected Chancellor! He ran against Paul von Hindenberg for the presidency, and lost. Since there was no outright political majority, Von Hindenberg was persuaded to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. When Von Hindenberg died, Hitler (who now controlled the parliament) passed a law making the presidency defunct, and declaring the Chancellor "Fuhrer".

Hitler become so obsessed with the power his advisors and alliances showed him he had that he completely lost the plot.

You keep saying that, but I don't think it had much to do with advisors - Hitler's own aims and prejudices are pretty well known from "Mein Kampf" and other writings.

Some conspiracy theorists or fringe historians suggest that FDR,
encouraged Japan to attack Peal Harbour to get the US into the war, because
otherwise they wouldn't have.

Japan felt they had no alternative because of an oil embargo by the US; so it may have been indirectly caused by the US. I doubt there was anything intentional though.

 

[PeterCH]

He certainly didn't get elected Chancellor! He ran against Paul von Hindenberg for the presidency, and lost. Since there was no outright political majority, Von Hindenberg was persuaded to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. When Von Hindenberg died, Hitler (who now controlled the parliament) passed a law making the presidency defunct, and declaring the Chancellor "Fuhrer".

He wasn't elected chancellor, you're right but in the Weimar
Republic chancellors (prime minsters) were appointed by the elected president. Hitler's party however was the largest party in the parliament and was gaining overall in popularity - rising from 2.3% of the vote in 1928 to
48% (230 seats) in 1932. The decision to elect Hitler was to constrain him
with administrative duties in the hope of taming him, but he managed to outwit everyone else - once again he wasn't stupid. However, he did all this legally
until after the Enabling Act, for which Hitler needed a 2/3's majority, he got with the aid of Conservative parties. He was an astute politician and once again, not a fool.

The NSDAP was definitely democratically elected though, and their leader becoming chancellor was logical and legal procedure, as Hitler's party was the largest one and the cabinet became a coalition cabinet. All democratic.

Hitler emerged from obscurity to be appointed (on the basis of his party being elected) to the position of Chancellor (PM).

Japan felt they had no alternative because of an oil embargo by the US; so it may have been indirectly caused by the US. I doubt there was anything intentional though.

Japan and the US were at odds as each one saw the Far East as their own sphere of influence.

There have been theories and books published about
various steps taken to help (although the Japanese would have attacked anyway) draw Japan into the war, probably to get into the European theatre of war as war was unpopular in the isolationist US. FDR wanted to declare war on Germany but this was opposed
by the Congress.

 

[PeterCH]

The Irish are known world wide as the voice of reason

The Irish were locked in a conflict with Great Britain. They were therefore pro-German in both WWs (or at least neutral), pro-German in spirit too.

Your enemy's enemy is your friend.

 

[Pitbull]

He certainly didn't get elected Chancellor! He ran against Paul von Hindenberg for the presidency, and lost. Since there was no outright political majority, Von Hindenberg was persuaded to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. When Von Hindenberg died, Hitler (who now controlled the parliament) passed a law making the presidency defunct, and declaring the Chancellor "Fuhrer".



You keep saying that, but I don't think it had much to do with advisors - Hitler's own aims and prejudices are pretty well known from "Mein Kampf" and other writings.



Japan felt they had no alternative because of an oil embargo by the US; so it may have been indirectly caused by the US. I doubt there was anything intentional though.

Since you know so much, who's idea was it to kill the jews ? Now go and read up on it then we can dicuss this further

 

[Pitbull]

O another thing.

That book "Mein Kampf" is the biggest crock of shyt you could ever read. Hitlers writings in there is nothing more than lies.

 

[Claymore]

Since you know so much, who's idea was it to kill the jews ? Now go and read up on it then we can dicuss this further

It was a whole lot of people's - but Hitler's prejudices were well know. Mind you, there was a great deal of anti-Semitism at the time.

O another thing.

That book "Mein Kampf" is the biggest crock of shyt you could ever read. Hitlers writings in there is nothing more than lies.

You're saying Hitler lied in his own book?

 

[Claymore]

He wasn't elected chancellor, you're right but in the Weimar
Republic chancellors (prime minsters) were appointed by the elected president. Hitler's party however was the largest party in the parliament and was gaining overall in popularity - rising from 2.3% of the vote in 1928 to
48% (230 seats) in 1932. The decision to elect Hitler was to constrain him
with administrative duties in the hope of taming him, but he managed to outwit everyone else - once again he wasn't stupid. However, he did all this legally
until after the Enabling Act, for which Hitler needed a 2/3's majority, he got with the aid of Conservative parties. He was an astute politician and once again, not a fool.

The NSDAP was definitely democratically elected though, and their leader becoming chancellor was logical and legal procedure, as Hitler's party was the largest one and the cabinet became a coalition cabinet. All democratic.

Hitler emerged from obscurity to be appointed (on the basis of his party being elected) to the position of Chancellor (PM).

Yep, spot on; he was very, very clever at manipulating the political structures of the time, all fairly much within the law.

 

[Pitbull]

It was a whole lot of people's - but Hitler's prejudices were well know. Mind you, there was a great deal of anti-Semitism at the time.



You're saying Hitler lied in his own book?

Correct.

You are more than welcome to google it if you want. Too much of a hassel quoting 100's of sources