Is naming a child 'Hitler' Child abuse?

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Back to the Jews story.

Hitler's mom was treated by a Dr. something or another when she had Breast cancer. She died and on that day Hitler said to the Dr. "Thank you for your time you helped my mother, I will for always be in your debt"

The love of his life was a Jewish girlfriend he had when he lived on Vienna.

He fought along Jewish soldiers in WW1 of which allot of them became his best friends.

Sure, he flip'd his lid and went all psycho because of the power he had. But his intention was never to kill the Jews. There was talks of creating a state for them on another continent or something which fell through. The decision to have them executed was only made late in 1941. The war was on how long by then ?
 
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Pitbull said:
Correct.

You are more than welcome to google it if you want. Too much of a hassel quoting 100's of sources :eek:
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Why would he do that?

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The love of his life was a Jewish girlfriend he had when he lived on Vienna.
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Neither Mimi Reiter nor Geli Raubal was Jewish.

Sure, he flip'd his lid and went all psycho because of the power he had. But his intention was never to kill the Jews. There was talks of creating a state for them on another continent or something which fell through. The decision to have them executed was only made late in 1941. The war was on how long by then ?
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The Final Solution was only decided on in 1941. Jews, Poles, communists, Roma, the mentally ill, and many others were already being eliminated in 1939. There's no doubt that Hitler knew about death camps and other eliminations - if he had no intention of killing Jews, he had a funny way of showing it.
 
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Claymore said:
Why would he do that?



Neither Mimi Reiter nor Geli Raubal was Jewish.
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Honestly Claymore.

Go read up about that book. I also read the book and found the supporting facts showing the lies astounding. It's interresting ;)

I have no idea who the chick was I can't recall her name. But he was madly inlove with a Jewish chick in Vienna.

Do I honestly now need to go and dive into the interwebs for all of these :(
Just search a little via google there is some very reputable websites on these things. It's just going to be a mission to search for all these things again.

It makes for interresting reading and also some never before known facts about Hitler and WW2. It's an interresting trip on the interwebs I took a couple of years ago and it became an obsession :eek: I was searching for the truth. The chance of ever finding the 100% truth is less than 0 but it does make for same very interresting reading.

The digging part is damn time consuming though. But I see you know alot about the 2nd WW. Seems like you also have a passion for it. You will enjoy the ride I promise you ;)
 
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Pitbull said:
Back to the Jews story.

Hitler's mom was treated by a Dr. something or another when she had Breast cancer. She died and on that day Hitler said to the Dr. "Thank you for your time you helped my mother, I will for always be in your debt"

The love of his life was a Jewish girlfriend he had when he lived on Vienna.

He fought along Jewish soldiers in WW1 of which allot of them became his best friends.

Sure, he flip'd his lid and went all psycho because of the power he had. But his intention was never to kill the Jews. There was talks of creating a state for them on another continent or something which fell through. The decision to have them executed was only made late in 1941. The war was on how long by then ?
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Too long to paste but this information seems pretty decent.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Hitler_and_the_Nazis_hate_the_Jews
 
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I would like to thank each and everyone posting in this thread for being open to debate.

Ussually Hitler debates die very quickly on any forum even this one :p This is a topic I have very stong feeling for and appreciate the discussions being based at the topic and not the person for a change. Been handled quite well I think :)
 
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Honestly Claymore.

Go read up about that book. I also read the book and found the supporting facts showing the lies astounding. It's interresting ;)

I have no idea who the chick was I can't recall her name. But he was madly inlove with a Jewish chick in Vienna.

Do I honestly now need to go and dive into the interwebs for all of these :(
Just search a little via google there is some very reputable websites on these things. It's just going to be a mission to search for all these things again.

It makes for interresting reading and also some never before known facts about Hitler and WW2. It's an interresting trip on the interwebs I took a couple of years ago and it became an obsession :eek: I was searching for the truth. The chance of ever finding the 100% truth is less than 0 but it does make for same very interresting reading.

The digging part is damn time consuming though. But I see you know alot about the 2nd WW. Seems like you also have a passion for it. You will enjoy the ride I promise you ;)
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You don't honestly think Adolf was the only one who came up with his racial theories? And what to do with the lower class people?

Hitler got the idea for genocide from Marx but he was certainly not the only one who was gunning for it. Hitler was just one cog and there were hundreds of thousands or even millions who were like minded to him. Being on the loosing end of the war makes people change their minds very quickly but things were hunky-dory in Germany right until 1943 when the tide of war started to change. Don't blame it all on Hitler.
 
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Did Marx teach genocide? Could you show me where Marx teaches genocide Peter?
 
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Did Marx teach genocide?
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Genocide was (is) the cornerstone of socialist teaching. Marx, Engels advocated it. Leading socialists praised Hitler for his stance on it (George Bernard Shaw, HG Wells etc) and Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol-pot put it in practice.

Here's a nice soundbyte for you to quote:
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

Were Marx and Engels White racists?: The prolet-Aryan outlook of Marx and Engels (Black pages) by Carlos Moore
The list author says:
"1972: This is an EXCELLENT booklet written by an afrocentric group that examines quotes from Marx and Engels on issues of race and ethnicity. Why did Marx praise slavery? Who did Engels say would perish in a 'revolutionary holocaust'? Whose culture did Marx see it necessary to 'annihilate'? Why did Karl use 'the N word' to refer to his son-in-law? Find out here!"
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Marxism/lm/R2ROPVYFT0MNKN



HITLER AND MARX AGREED ABOUT THE JEWS

I have noted previously important ways in which Friedrich Engels had similar views to Hitler. The most spectacular aspect of Nazism, however, was surely its antisemitism. And that had a grounding in Marx himself. The following passage is from Marx but it could just as well have been from Hitler:


"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".


Note that Marx wanted to "emancipate" (free) mankind from Jewry ("Judentum" in Marx's original German), just as Hitler did and that the title of Marx's essay in German was "Zur Judenfrage" -- which is exactly the same expression ("Jewish question") that Hitler used in his famous phrase "Endloesung der Judenfrage" ("Final solution of the Jewish question"). And when Marx speaks of the end of Jewry by saying that Jewish identity must necessarily "dissolve" itself, the word he uses in German is "aufloesen", which is a close relative of Hitler's word "Endloesung" ("final solution"). So all the most condemned features of Nazism can be traced back to Marx and Engels. The thinking of Hitler, Marx and Engels differed mainly in emphasis rather than in content. All three were second-rate German intellectuals of their times.
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The background may be briefly sketched. In January 1849, months before he migrated to London, Karl Marx published an article by Friedrich Engels in Die Neue Rheinische Zeitung announcing that in Central Europe only Germans, Hungarians and Poles counted as bearers of progress. The rest must go. "The chief mission of all other races and peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary holocaust."

Genocide arose out of Marx's master-theory of history--feudalism giving place inevitably to capitalism, capitalism to socialism. The lesser races of Europe--Basques, Serbs, Bretons and others--being sunk in feudalism, were counter-revolutionary; having failed to develop a bourgeoisie, they would be two steps behind in the historical process. Engels dismissed them as leftovers and ethnic trash (Volkerabfall), and called for their extinction.

So genocide was born as a doctrine in the German Rhineland in January 1849, in a Europe still reeling from the revolutions of 1848. It was to become the beacon-light of socialism, proudly held and proudly proclaimed, and for a century it remained a doctrine uniquely socialist.
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6459/is_/ai_n29142345
 
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PeterCH said:
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

Were Marx and Engels White racists?: The prolet-Aryan outlook of Marx and Engels (Black pages) by Carlos Moore
The list author says:
"1972: This is an EXCELLENT booklet written by an afrocentric group that examines quotes from Marx and Engels on issues of race and ethnicity. Why did Marx praise slavery? Who did Engels say would perish in a 'revolutionary holocaust'? Whose culture did Marx see it necessary to 'annihilate'? Why did Karl use 'the N word' to refer to his son-in-law? Find out here!"
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Marxism/lm/R2ROPVYFT0MNKN

http://marxwords.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html


http://marxwords.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6459/is_/ai_n29142345
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Aah. I|C.

The thinking of Hitler, Marx and Engels differed mainly in emphasis rather than in content. All three were second-rate German intellectuals of their times.
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Nice find :)
 
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Aah. I|C.



Nice find :)
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George Watson's article is a great summary. His book contains excepts from
the beginning of socialism in 1848 to WW2 -- all dealing with genocide - class genoice and very racist ideas. Namely persecution of Indians by British and their subjugation being OK (in India) and other similar topics.

To think that African and South American revolutionary movements were all for Marxist ideas is quite ironic, considering that the guy was an extreme racist.
 
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PeterCH said:
Genocide was (is) the cornerstone of socialist teaching. Marx, Engels advocated it. Leading socialists praised Hitler for his stance on it (George Bernard Shaw, HG Wells etc) and Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol-pot put it in practice.

Here's a nice soundbyte for you to quote:
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

Were Marx and Engels White racists?: The prolet-Aryan outlook of Marx and Engels (Black pages) by Carlos Moore
The list author says:
"1972: This is an EXCELLENT booklet written by an afrocentric group that examines quotes from Marx and Engels on issues of race and ethnicity. Why did Marx praise slavery? Who did Engels say would perish in a 'revolutionary holocaust'? Whose culture did Marx see it necessary to 'annihilate'? Why did Karl use 'the N word' to refer to his son-in-law? Find out here!"
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Marxism/lm/R2ROPVYFT0MNKN




http://marxwords.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6459/is_/ai_n29142345
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Interesting read, thanks.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479904,00.html

A 3-year-old boy named Adolf Hitler and his two Nazi-named younger sisters were removed from their New Jersey home last week and placed in state custody, police said.

Adolf Hitler Campbell and his sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, were taken from their Holland Township, N.J., home on Friday by the state's Division of Youth and Family Services (DYFS), Sgt. John Harris of the Holland Township Police Department told FOXNews.com.

Their father, Heath Campbell, is expected in court Thursday in Flemington, N.J., in connection with the case.
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Pitbull said:
"Not just" in my understanding means it's part of it.
Wierd very very wierd. If I call my laaitie "Piston" is that child abuse ?

People have to much time on their hands obviously :p
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If your choice of name directly results in the kid being bullied unmercifully then maybe it is.
 
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