Is South Africa’s Ramaphosa Headed the Same Way as UK’s Johnson?

[NarrowBandFtw]

will never happen, but while we're in fantasy land:
- should he indeed step down I hope he does so by calling a general election, at least that way we have a slight chance of curbing the ANC's power and limiting the damage the next thief in chief does

 

[TheChamp]

will never happen, but while we're in fantasy land:
- should he indeed step down I hope he does so by calling a general election, at least that way we have a slight chance of curbing the ANC's power and limiting the damage the next thief in chief does

I don't think he has the power to single handedly call for an early election, plus it would be very dishonourable to do so, if he resigns he just do that and go, nothing else is required.

 

[blah99]

Replace the clowns with what?

With someone else in the Clown (ANC) family.

 

[ShaunSA]

will never happen, but while we're in fantasy land:
- should he indeed step down I hope he does so by calling a general election, at least that way we have a slight chance of curbing the ANC's power and limiting the damage the next thief in chief does

That's called living in lalaland

 

[Sinbad]

I don't think he has the power to single handedly call for an early election, plus it would be very dishonourable to do so, if he resigns he just do that and go, nothing else is required.

Honour lol

 

[TheChamp]

Honour lol

Yebo, even the Nkandla Casanova did not attempt to call for an early election when he resigned.

 

[GrootVoet]

State leaders always have it difficult in time of hardship. I believe it contributed to Boris downfall and also likely will cause massive pain for the democrat's in November.

South Africa is interesting, we've been now for so long had low economic growth and high unemployment the logic that you would expect the voters to vote for change but still the ANC gets the most votes.

Up to 2024 our economy is going to get worst, world recession, higher fuel price, more competition for resource and less opportunities which all lead to more instability. I do not see other outcome.

If the voters do vote for change will they select a more central controlled economic (EFF / RET) or a more free economic (DA / ASA)?

 

[Hamster]

It has never happened.

Why would you "answer" that?

 

[PrimeSteak]

South Africa is interesting, we've been now for so long had low economic growth and high unemployment the logic that you would expect the voters to vote for change but still the ANC gets the most votes.

Slowly but surely, that's changing. More and more ANC voters are seeing the forest for the trees. They're realising the "struggle ANC" of Mandela and Mbeki is dead and the current ANC is screwing them over. Last year's election and recent by-elections show this. In today's Rapport, it's shown that out of 28 by-elections ANC support tanked in 17 of them, 1 stayed more or less the same and 10 actually went up. The ANC is losing wards to EFF and DA, where they don't lose wards they lose support...

If the voters do vote for change will they select a more central controlled economic (EFF / RET) or a more free economic (DA / ASA)?

The way I see the parties' economic policies is:

ASA/VF+/IFP: bigger lean toward a free-market economy
DA: traditional social market economy (think France, Germany or Sweden's setups)
ANC: leans towards a socialist/socialist-leaning social market economy
EFF: Basically Communism

I think more voters will swing towards the second option (the free one).

 

[GrootVoet]

Slowly but surely, that's changing. More and more ANC voters are seeing the forest for the trees. They're realising the "struggle ANC" of Mandela and Mbeki is dead and the current ANC is screwing them over. Last year's election and recent by-elections show this. In today's Rapport, it's shown that out of 28 by-elections ANC support tanked in 17 of them, 1 stayed more or less the same and 10 actually went up. The ANC is losing wards to EFF and DA, where they don't lose wards they lose support...

The way I see the parties' economic policies is:

ASA/VF+/IFP: bigger lean toward a free-market economy
DA: traditional social market economy (think France, Germany or Sweden's setups)
ANC: leans towards a socialist/socialist-leaning social market economy
EFF: Basically Communism

I think more voters will swing towards the second option (the free one).

Really hope so.

 

[RonSwanson]

More and more ANC voters are seeing the forest for the trees.

...in urban areas only. Rural is where their cornerstone support base is, with tribal chiefs (who receive generous annual taxpayer handouts, luxury vehicles and enjoy despotic control over vast swathes of land) exercising their own brand of "democracy".

 

[wingnut771]

...in urban areas only. Rural is where their cornerstone support base is, with tribal chiefs (who receive generous annual taxpayer handouts, luxury vehicles and enjoy despotic control over vast swathes of land) exercising their own brand of "democracy".

Are there opposition parties in those areas?

 

[Harmonic]

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Jirre, she could eat a black market cigarette through a tennis racket

 

[RonSwanson]

Are there opposition parties in those areas?

Is there any economic activity in those areas? Same answer.
The bloodsucking leeches become the kingmakers.

 

[PrimeSteak]

...in urban areas only.

Disagree.

In the rural by-elections, ANC either tanked or lost wards. So yes, that is changing in the rural areas too. Although it seems EC, Limpopo and MP are still holding strong for ANC. Although in a recent by-election in MP, the ANC tanked by 10%, IFP went up by 10%.