# Is the world flat or round?

## The shape of the earth.

• ### A singularity - The true shape of the earth can never be known.

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#### jack_spratt

##### Expert Member
Not phased, really. They probably don't vaccinate so won't be around much longer anyway.
And if its the other way around? What then?

##### Honorary Master
OK, let me ask a 5 year old appropriate question then: if the world is flat, what makes down down? If there is a down axis to the universe what's at the bottom?
And what holds the earth up?

#### daveza

##### Honorary Master
And what holds the earth up?
You mean down.

Earth has no weight in space so the denser vacuum molecules should force it on an upwards trajectory.

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What, this is more laughable than a flat earth ?

#### Hellhound105

##### Expert Member
The same way as real science has taught us. The only lie is that "gravity" is keeping it down on a spherical earth.

How can gravity be strong enough to hold down the heavy waters onto this so called "round" earth while at the same time it cant keep something as light as a bird from flying into the sky?

Q: Why is water been used in certain instruments to judge if various objects in construction are level?
A: Water always find its level.

The water cant exists the way it does on a globe earth. It would have been at the bottom of a spherical earth.
Cut the birds wings see it stick to the ground

#### newklear

##### Senior Member
The same way as real science has taught us. The only lie is that "gravity" is keeping it down on a spherical earth.

How can gravity be strong enough to hold down the heavy waters onto this so called "round" earth while at the same time it cant keep something as light as a bird from flying into the sky?

Q: Why is water been used in certain instruments to judge if various objects in construction are level?
A: Water always find its level.

The water cant exists the way it does on a globe earth. It would have been at the bottom of a spherical earth.
The earth loses tonnes of water each day. Gravity, evaporation, precipitation and surface tension work together in maintaining just enough. We have more water underground than in the oceans and takes the shape of whatever it's contained in. Think of the earth as a giant piece of snot that will dry out eventually. The surface gravity on Mars is only about 38% of the surface gravity on Earth and still has traces of water that is frozen and small quantities of water vapour in the atmosphere.

#### Nick333

##### Honorary Master
And what holds the earth up?
I'm more worried about what holds whatever holds the earth up.

#### jack_spratt

##### Expert Member

Interesting discussion on the flat earth debate

We've allegedly "known" for 2,000 years that the Earth is a sphere, right? Well, the Russians, CIA, NASA and the U.S. Army apparently didn't get the memo. Hmmmm... Of course, some will say, the reason they calculate on a non-rotating, flat Earth is to "simplify the math." First of all, we're dealing with actual rocket scientists in some of these cases. It's not like they need to simplify math. But more importantly, if the Earth really is a rotating sphere, why do ANY calculations at all based on fiction? Those calculations and the resulting tests would have no relation to reality and thus would render completely meaningless conclusions. So, why waste any ink on it?
@crocopede

#### Geoff.D

##### Honorary Master

Interesting discussion on the flat earth debate

@crocopede
So? What do you conclude from this? That the earth IS indeed flat?
Have you any idea how complicated the formulas are IF you do not make those assumptions initially and how impossible it would have been to program computers then to handle the added complications?

No, all you have shown is how utterly stupid youtube information can be and how incredibly gullible the idiots are who take notice of the garbage on the Internet.

And IF you think that even today the same assumptions are not done then you have one hell of a lot to learn about Science.

just shows how dangerous a little bit of scientific knowledge can be in the hands of idiots.

Instead of believing the idiots that put together that video, do yourself a favour and go and understand the underlying reasons why those assumptions were made at the time and why some of those underlying assumptions are still made today.

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#### supersunbird

##### Honorary Master
So? What do you conclude from this? That the earth IS indeed flat?
Have you any idea how complicated the formulas are IF you do not make those assumptions initially and how impossible it would have been to program computers then to handle the added complications?

No, all you have shown is how utterly stupid youtube information can be and how incredibly gullible the idiots are who take notice of the garbage on the Internet.

And IF you think that even today the same assumptions are not done then you have one hell of a lot to learn about Science.

just shows how dangerous a little bit of scientific knowledge can be in the hands of idiots.

Instead of believing the idiots that put together that video, do yourself a favour and go and understand the underlying reasons why those assumptions were made at the time and why some of those underlying assumptions are still made today.
Indeed, the concept that calculating for the curvature is not required (so why the hell do it, do these flat-earthers do unnecessary stuff all day like sweep their lawn with a broom and rake their concrete driveway?) because it's totally irrelevant to whats happening, is too much for their little minds.

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#### kolaval

##### Expert Member
I thought flat earthers would be busy with something else more exciting by now.
You never even see memes on it anymore.

#### jack_spratt

##### Expert Member
So? What do you conclude from this? That the earth IS indeed flat?
Have you any idea how complicated the formulas are IF you do not make those assumptions initially and how impossible it would have been to program computers then to handle the added complications?

No, all you have shown is how utterly stupid youtube information can be and how incredibly gullible the idiots are who take notice of the garbage on the Internet.

And IF you think that even today the same assumptions are not done then you have one hell of a lot to learn about Science.

just shows how dangerous a little bit of scientific knowledge can be in the hands of idiots.

Instead of believing the idiots that put together that video, do yourself a favour and go and understand the underlying reasons why those assumptions were made at the time and why some of those underlying assumptions are still made today.
Hi Geoff, I just found it interesting. I know that including curvature would make the calculations more complicated. But would they not need to include curvature? It seems that curvature is a totally need to have here, especially if the earth is a sphere....

#### ShaunyCT

##### Senior Member
Here are some nice photos for People Of the South....

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#### Speedster

##### Executive Member
Here are some nice photos for People Of the South....
#bigproblemhere is that whoever made that image can't do the most basic of math. Let's just start but saying the earth is a little bigger than what that picture would have you believe

#### ShaunyCT

##### Senior Member
#bigproblemhere is that whoever made that image can't do the most basic of math. Let's just start but saying the earth is a little bigger than what that picture would have you believe
Yes that picture is an exaggeration, but we get the point s/he is making.

##### Honorary Master
Yes that picture is an exaggeration, but we get the point s/he is making.
What point is that?

Earth's radius is 20 million feet.

20033000 / 20005000 = 0.001

So it's one tenth of one percent longer flight time, not 4 times as long.

On a 10 hour flight, that is 36 seconds.
A 1 km/h head or tailwind will make more difference

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#### Speedster

##### Executive Member
Yes that picture is an exaggeration, but we get the point s/he is making.
The point that they have absolutely no comprehension of basic mathematical concepts?

#### JC Heat

##### Well-Known Member
Actually... The world is but a protoplasmic blob. Changing and forever remolding as it goes along. Gaining shape is a mere figment of our wordly imaginations. Our simple and primitave eyes need to sort it into a certain "shape" in order to process its existence, however, it is actually just a non specific blob type thingy dooo daaa. taaadaaaaa. That is my answer and i am sticking to it...

#### evilstebunny

##### Honorary Master
Actually... The world is but a protoplasmic blob. Changing and forever remolding as it goes along. Gaining shape is a mere figment of our wordly imaginations. Our simple and primitave eyes need to sort it into a certain "shape" in order to process its existence, however, it is actually just a non specific blob type thingy dooo daaa. taaadaaaaa. That is my answer and i am sticking to it...
Yeah but is the specific blob type thingy flat or round..?