Is this lawful...giving a raise to selected employees?

[^^vampire^^]

Have to say that women in software development will generally get screwed. I've personally seen it happen time and again.

Any man who says otherwise is ignorant and not in touch with the realities of the industry.

The reality is your rank in the group determines your perceived value by the group.
Women in IT enter with bias the moment they join. Because they are a women right, know your place and all that.
It takes a lot more for a women in software development to get promoted and an increase than a man, simple as that.

Incorrect - a woman with proper qualifications will be poached far above others and I have seen time and time again female devs entering into the job market with salaries far greater than males. Maybe in Cape Town they treat the women devs like **** but in Jhb they are so few and far between they are treated better than the males. I've seen female devs come out of varsity and get accepted at banks at R20k-30k a month where their male counterparts earn R10k. And no this isn't because the women were better skilled.

 

[rza]

Well, if you look at the last salary survey, woman in SW development were earning more than their male couterparts.

That's nonsense, women are not earning more than men in any profession worldwide. If there's such a survey then it's nonsense.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Why rza?

Because women aren't allowed to earn more than men?

 

[Mystic Twilight]

That is problem with overtime. But with good management skills (daily progress meetings etc) overtime can be planned if need be. These days they expect you to work overtime everyday with no compensation which is not fair at all.

Highly dependent on the task at hand. Things like (relatively large) site installations, implementation and technical support can't be well planned to avoid overtime. Heck even deliveries go into overtime, when the driver decides to stop at the petrol station that is along the route for a smoke break or purposely choose the road with heavy traffic on it.

That's nonsense, women are not earning more than men in any profession worldwide. If there's such a survey then it's nonsense.

The porn industry begs to differ.

 

[satanboy]

So what do you do for a living? Mistake finder? lol.

I'm in finance.

 

[Venomous]

The porn industry begs to differ.

rza would not approve of such activities.
rza only does missionary.

 

[maumau]

OP, the problem lies in your opening statement "..... i'm not happy....."

Nobody likes working with or employing someone who's not enjoying their job. You don't like them and the bosses are probably aware of it. In fact you could be spreading dissent if you moan all the time - do you?

 

[Gnome]

Incorrect - a woman with proper qualifications will be poached far above others and I have seen time and time again female devs entering into the job market with salaries far greater than males. Maybe in Cape Town they treat the women devs like **** but in Jhb they are so few and far between they are treated better than the males. I've seen female devs come out of varsity and get accepted at banks at R20k-30k a month where their male counterparts earn R10k. And no this isn't because the women were better skilled.

Unless your company's interview process is this, this or this, which I already know it isn't, then why should they pay a man more than R10k.

He is unproven, no experience (even if he had it means nothing from 99% of companies in SA), likely range from no technical expertise to programming wizard if you truly lucky. Even wizards are really horrible at everything else tho. You walk in and think you are the sh#t but really programming skill is pretty common. Look at the interview processes posted above: People think it is because those companies hire the best. Yes, sure but they also know that programming is a small part of the skills you need. So unless you are already a programming wizard, you'll just drool over yourself, sh#t your pants and quit a few months later because you couldn't cope.

Now you have a women coming in, she has very much the same variability in skill as the rest of the men. Some guys will tell you women suck but it is only because they think/(or are) programming wizards and somehow believe this makes them superior. In reality you skills are pretty common and what you bring to the table is easily replaceable and the reason you wouldn't get into above mentioned companies with your wizardry programming abilities alone.

What isn't easily replaceable is diversity which has been proven to increase the quality of output. Granted you can't hire a bunch of diverse muppets and hope that will do the trick. But since the casual "bank" interview is a muppet interview anyway, they are playing by luck and hoping to hit the jackpot.

So yes, there is a chance that your male friends earned less when they arrived. And women got more purely because they brought diversity to the table.

But the reality is that in highly competitive environments, which banks are not (I would know, I've been there), women aren't on equal footing.

They don't get promoted as easily and men shoot their ideas down simply because of their gender.

Whether you will ever see this for yourself I cannot say. So I would suggest you look on the internet. Where you'll find it is a big problem in the industry.

Else, you know, try interview with Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon or locally Takealot are using the same process. Get a job there, work for about 4 years and then we can discuss it over a braai.

EDIT: FYI I'm male.

 

[^^vampire^^]

Unless your company's interview process is this, this or this, which I already know it isn't, then why should they pay a man more than R10k.

He is unproven, no experience (even if he had it means nothing from 99% of companies in SA), likely range from no technical expertise to programming wizard if you truly lucky. Even wizards are really horrible at everything else tho. You walk in and think you are the sh#t but really programming skill is pretty common. Look at the interview processes posted above: People think it is because those companies hire the best. Yes, sure but they also know that programming is a small part of the skills you need. So unless you are already a programming wizard, you'll just drool over yourself, sh#t your pants and quit a few months later because you couldn't cope.

Now you have a women coming in, she has very much the same variability in skill as the rest of the men. Some guys will tell you women suck but it is only because they think/(or are) programming wizards and somehow believe this makes them superior. In reality you skills are pretty common and what you bring to the table is easily replaceable and the reason you wouldn't get into above mentioned companies with your wizardry programming abilities alone.

What isn't easily replaceable is diversity which has been proven to increase the quality of output. Granted you can't hire a bunch of diverse muppets and hope that will do the trick. But since the casual "bank" interview is a muppet interview anyway, they are playing by luck and hoping to hit the jackpot.

So yes, there is a chance that your male friends earned less when they arrived. And women got more purely because they brought diversity to the table.

But the reality is that in highly competitive environments, which banks are not (I would know, I've been there), women aren't on equal footing.

They don't get promoted as easily and men shoot their ideas down simply because of their gender.

Whether you will ever see this for yourself I cannot say. So I would suggest you look on the internet. Where you'll find it is a big problem in the industry.

Else, you know, try interview with Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon or locally Takealot are using the same process. Get a job there, work for about 4 years and then we can discuss it over a braai.

EDIT: FYI I'm male.

Um.... gee whizz where do I start on this one. Sounds like every woman on the planet got a better salary than you, you're angry and now you're taking it out on me. On behalf of all your employers I apologise that you have been overlooked and now you have a grudge with life.

I was simply reiterating from my own personal experience that every female dev in Jhb that I have come across has started on a higher than normal salary and are poached from other companies - maybe for their skills, maybe for diversity - who knows.

Here's the problem with your post - you assume I give a **** or that it makes me upset/angry/bitter. Sorry to ruin your day but honestly I couldn't give 2 hoots. I work hard and I get paid well. What female devs earn, fairly or unfairly, has no bearing on my life at all. They don't pay for my house, my food, my beer or my clothes. I worry about myself and my situation, not others.

Your assumption that my skills are lacking is also a terrible assumption of your part and that you think I'm bitter and don't have other skills is just unfounded and makes you look stupid posting such drivel. I am a decent dev (not a wizard as you put it) with other skills too (maybe why I'm not a wizard - not that that matters at all anyway) and I have my place with my skillset which I'm very happy with thanks

EDIT: FYI I'm male - Yes you are.

 

[rwenzori]

I work for a small IT company where I'm not happy at all. Last month my employer gave a certain few employees a raise and left out about 30% of us with neither a raise nor an explanation as to why we didn't get any. Is this lawful to discriminate like this, to add on that none of the women at the company got a raise.

I am livid as I know I'm damn good at my job. Is this just a case of unfairness or is it unlawful?

Your employer is sending you a message - maybe one or more of:

1. We are already paying premium rates for you.
2. You are not as good as you think.
3. Others were being underpaid and we need to adjust.
4. You are as good as you think but you don't fit in / we don't like you.
5. We have too many staff and need to "encourage" some to leave so we don't have the hassle of retrenching.
6. We don't like whiners.

Read the politics and make your choice to stay or to go.

 

[Nick333]

What isn't easily replaceable is diversity which has been proven to increase the quality of output. Granted you can't hire a bunch of diverse muppets and hope that will do the trick. But since the casual "bank" interview is a muppet interview anyway, they are playing by luck and hoping to hit the jackpot.

So yes, there is a chance that your male friends earned less when they arrived. And women got more purely because they brought diversity to the table.

But the reality is that in highly competitive environments, which banks are not (I would know, I've been there), women aren't on equal footing.

They don't get promoted as easily and men shoot their ideas down simply because of their gender.

Whether you will ever see this for yourself I cannot say. So I would suggest you look on the internet. Where you'll find it is a big problem in the industry.

Else, you know, try interview with Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon or locally Takealot are using the same process. Get a job there, work for about 4 years and then we can discuss it over a braai.

EDIT: FYI I'm male.

Women bring diversity to the table? Honestly, what the fcck does that even mean and how does it improve quality of output?

 

[^^vampire^^]

Women bring diversity to the table? Honestly, what the fcck does that even mean and how does it improve quality of output?

I think it means "we hire females so we don't look sexist" - which I would agree is very counter productive unless they can do the work better than their male counterparts. I'm all up for hiring people to produce the best and most efficient output but with our colourful government and their "advanced" ideas they just want quotas met because "that is how you fix the problems" apparently.

 

[Nick333]

I think it means "we hire females so we don't look sexist" - which I would agree is very counter productive unless they can do the work better than their male counterparts. I'm all up for hiring people to produce the best and most efficient output but with our colourful government and their "advanced" ideas they just want quotas met because "that is how you fix the problems" apparently.

Yeah. It just amazes me that people repeat these sorts of magical justifications for marginalising competent people. The fact that people don't realise how deeply prejudiced claiming that a specific gender or race brings something of value that another gender or race cannot is astounding. This is a very clear example of where feminism has led us and is not a good place.

 

[^^vampire^^]

Anyway... we have gotten a bit off topic here. Wish OP would come back for some justification...

 

[Cius]

The fact that they did not provide an explanation is a bit shoddy. Still, there are a lot of reasons this could happen. Perhaps for your level of responsibility you are near the top of your salary band and the guy that got 30% was low in his band and needed an adjustment for the company to keep him. Its always best to find out why though so ask if you don't know. Generally if it came without an explanation then the manager wants you to leave the company though. Even with an explanation in a country with 6% inflation a zero percent increase is an issue. Depending on your remuneration levels for what you do vs say the average published by the salary survey you should perhaps start looking elsewhere. If you are good it should not be hard to find a better and more appreciative environment.

 

[Electric]

Your employer is sending you a message - maybe one or more of:

1. We are already paying premium rates for you.
2. You are not as good as you think.
3. Others were being underpaid and we need to adjust.
4. You are as good as you think but you don't fit in / we don't like you.
5. We have too many staff and need to "encourage" some to leave so we don't have the hassle of retrenching.
6. We don't like whiners.

Read the politics and make your choice to stay or to go.

You can't still be pushing this mentality.

 

[Sonic2k]

Thank you for your responses guys, I did guess that there was nothing I could do legally. I guess I just have to suck it up and start searching for a better deserving and appreciative employer.

Havoc I sure will request to have a discussion to clear the points you raised.

At some point, either your mind gives in, or you end up trying to kill yourself.
Those that know me here, I am done, finished and klaar with working for companies/bosses/employers, forever.

I cracked, I have had it with the politics, selective increases, red tape BS, cronyism, nepotism, verbal abuse, poor salary, no real benefits, forced overseas travel, etc, etc...

The best advice I can give to people is, if you can, rather try and work for yourself if at all possible. Your heart, health and sanity will thank you for it. South African employers think they can treat people any which way they want these days.

In my line of work, there's not a hell of a lot people who can do what I do, yet they consistently use the lack of BSc as an excuse for a decent salary except I can really outshine some people with degrees.

I wish that someday I will understand why SA bosses become such arseholes, but I guess I will never know the reason why.

 

[WaxLyrical]

If you give your boss a raise he'll give you one to.