Isn't Israel Afraid Of A New World Order

Techne

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i think the christians are backing israel on the basis that they need the war to see in the second comming of the Mesiah. Wasnt it the jews that crucified Jesus?
They may very well be true for John Hagee and his followers. Completely stupid of course.
 

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isnt it written that the end of days will be fought on the plains of meggido?

and that Israel is a stone unto the nations?
and as small as it is, their influence extends far beyond her borders,
 

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isnt it written that the end of days will be fought on the plains of meggido?

and that Israel is a stone unto the nations?
and as small as it is, their influence extends far beyond her borders,
It says Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies and will then win the fight.

This has happened many times before were Jerusalem was lost to the Romans, lost to the Muslims, regained by the crusaders in the 1st crusade. Lost again, regained again. With multiple wars all over the place.

Pretending this prophecy is anything to do with the current Muslim countries surrounding Israel and the bit of political pressure they are facing is completely ignorant of history, because this is nothing new and has happened many times before.
 

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It says Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies and will then win the fight.

This has happened many times before were Jerusalem was lost to the Romans, lost to the Muslims, regained by the crusaders in the 1st crusade. Lost again, regained again. With multiple wars all over the place.

Pretending this prophecy is anything to do with the current Muslim countries surrounding Israel and the bit of political pressure they are facing is completely ignorant of history, because this is nothing new and has happened many times before.
exactly , most fought over piece of real estate in Human history,
and no coal, diamonds, gold, fertile soil, nothing really there, except stone.

most conquered city on the face of the planet.
sometimes quite an amazing spectacle. considering people fought and dies over this irrelevant rock on top of a mountain
 

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What people ignore is that the final battle happens AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ..... which has not even vaguely happened yet.
 

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isnt it written that the end of days will be fought on the plains of meggido?

and that Israel is a stone unto the nations?
and as small as it is, their influence extends far beyond her borders,
I was on Kibbutz Meggido.

And true enough, I nearly saw my end of days with a terrible case of alcohol poisoning (home made vodka).
 

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The Christian Zionists in America are a dying breed. Americans are slowly waking up to the fact that Judaism and the Talmud are almost completely incompatible with Christianity and that "Judeo-Christian" ethics is a complete lie. Americans are also tired of sending their children to die in wars pretty much fought for Israel. Add to that the complete hypocrisy of Israel when it comes to nuclear weapons and the danger it poses and we have the unfortunate situation where Israel is suffering from a massive PR issue world wide. If they do not alter their behavior they risk being completely ostracized by the international community.
Problem is, if they alter their behavior too much, they leave themselves open to attack from those who do not want to negotiate.

It's always been the catch 22 for them.
 

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Problem is, if they alter their behavior too much, they leave themselves open to attack from those who do not want to negotiate.

It's always been the catch 22 for them.
If you keep voting for a complete moron like Netanyahu then there seem to be a serious IQ deficit in Israel. The diasporans need to return to help out in the intelligence department.
 

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If you keep voting for a complete moron like Netanyahu then there seem to be a serious IQ deficit in Israel. The diasporans need to return to help out in the intelligence department.
Well I reckon they need to do something and do it pretty quick. The status quo won't cut it for much longer becasue holding back change with a rifle is not as easy as it once was. And with Hamas dropping bombs all over the country at will, how long before a dirty bomb or something similar pops up in Tel Aviv.
 

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Funny everyone here are so negative, last I heard everyone except Iran in the official Arab world has effectively shunned Hamas and there are continually mass protests against Hamas by palistinians within it's territory..... There is actually a middle eastern version of NATO forming that includes Israel because of the Iranian threat.
 

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Funny everyone here are so negative, last I heard everyone except Iran in the official Arab world has effectively shunned Hamas and there are continually mass protests against Hamas by palistinians within it's territory..... There is actually a middle eastern version of NATO forming that includes Israel because of the Iranian threat.
I'm not sure Iran is the boogeyman people want it to be.
 

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You guys quoting so called prophecy are just quoting one recent (young) branch of Christian Theology - namely Premillennialism or Dispensational Theology. There are several other historical branches that do not believe that. PostMillennialists or Amillennialists believe that those prophecies were all fulfilled in the first century when Jerusalem was destroyed. Israel has no more relevance to future prophecy because the Church has taken over as the Spiritual Israel of God (see Ephesians 3:6 and 10). You can't make ALL of Christianity a part of that madness.
 

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Nonsense, it's literally in the last part of Revelation making it immaterial when the rapture and/or return happened.

All the prophesies could not have been fulfilled because in the final battle Jerusalem wins.

You are preaching replacement theology it sounds like which is logically problematic because it limits God to only one covenant at a time..... it is also a theology that was created initially to entrench false catholic claims of being the one true church.
 
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The majority of Americans remain partial toward Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with 59% saying they sympathize more with the Israelis whereas 21% sympathize more with the Palestinians. While still widespread, sympathy toward Israel is down from 64% in 2018 and marks the lowest percentage favoring Israel since 2009. Meanwhile, the 21% sympathizing more with the Palestinians, statistically unchanged from a year ago, is the highest by one point in Gallup's trend since 2001.

These results are based on Gallup's annual World Affairs survey, conducted each February. The 2019 poll was conducted Feb. 1-10 prior to Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar's recent remarks questioning U.S. support for Israel and suggesting that some supporters of Israel are pushing for "allegiance to a foreign country." Omar's statements have sparked a firestorm, with some in Congress calling for her to be censured or removed from her position on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, while others, such as New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have come to her defense.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/247376/americans-not-liberal-democrats-mostly-pro-israel.aspx


Interesting to see where this goes.
 

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Nonsense, it's literally in the last part of Revelation making it immaterial when the rapture and/or return happened.

All the prophesies could not have been fulfilled because in the final battle Jerusalem wins.

You are preaching replacement theology it sounds like which is logically problematic because it limits God to only one covenant at a time..... it is also a theology that was created initially to entrench false catholic claims of being the one true church.
maybe, the roman catholic church is the one true church
 

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Nonsense, it's literally in the last part of Revelation making it immaterial when the rapture and/or return happened.

All the prophesies could not have been fulfilled because in the final battle Jerusalem wins.

You are preaching replacement theology it sounds like which is logically problematic because it limits God to only one covenant at a time..... it is also a theology that was created initially to entrench false catholic claims of being the one true church.
Unfortunately, it's you guys who are on the wrong side of history.

Dispensationalism is a very recent invention...
The church's official position for many years was amillennialism.

http://www.reformedreader.org/hda.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
 
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