Israel Folau to be sacked by Rugby Australia over homophobic social media posts

[Cius]

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Leviticus 20:13

This was part of an ancient religion, that has not been practiced for about 2000 years by Christians. Not sure when the Jews stopped living the law of Moses literally, but to be clear the New Testament makes it absolutely clear that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and we no longer practice the law of Moses, we practice the higher law Christ introduced. He changed all that death stuff in favour of compassion for the most part. Along with changing the day of worship, doing away with Circumcision, it all fell away. Some specific commandments where carried over, like the 10 commandments, but by example he showed that people should not be judging others, or killing people for doing that which is spiritually wrong.

In the Christian religion homosexuality is effectively one of the flavours of fornication. Its having sexual relationships with someone you should not be sleeping with (for those that practice the religion). A great example of how he felt about people like that was when the Jews caught the women in adultery and brought her to him to be judged so that she could be stoned. He said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." They all left. He then asked her where her accusers where, she said no man. He said, "neither condemn I thee, go thy way and sin no more". So all he did was save her life from the Jews and invited her to change her ways. The choice was still hers. As simple as that. Nowhere in the Christian faith does it call for hate, mistreatment of, or death to people who are homosexual. In fact it preaches a lot of love, tolerance, and kindness to all people. So personally I find that tweet is missing the whole point of Christianity and is not very Christlike, but that is me. I guess people have the right to practice their beliefs the way they see fit provided they don't break the law.

 

[Deleted member]

Free speech must be protected until it becomes hate speech, so lets keep that in context always.

 

[Cray]

It is his religion.

Good for him, his employer has previously said posting that kind of thing is at odds with their ideals... Do you think the ARU should be obliged to employ someone who publicly posts sentiments that are at odds with the company and sponsor's ethos... ? The man is already massively privileged to play sport for a living but he should now get a free pass to tarnish the image of the sponsor that helps pay his salary?

 

[surface]

Why should it be any different. That is EXCATLY what the bible says. Not in that format obviously...

Well, it is rather poetic in the bible, isn't it? It is a mini-suspense - what is going to happen if a man lies with a male.....and the mystery is revealed shortly thereof.

Leviticus 20:13 “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

"But the god loves you " - George Carlin.

 

[Pox]

This was part of an ancient religion, that has not been practiced for about 2000 years by Christians. Not sure when the Jews stopped living the law of Moses literally, but to be clear the New Testament makes it absolutely clear that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and we no longer practice the law of Moses, we practice the higher law Christ introduced. He changed all that death stuff in favour of compassion for the most part. Along with changing the day of worship, doing away with Circumcision, it all fell away. Some specific commandments where carried over, like the 10 commandments, but by example he showed that people should not be judging others, or killing people for doing that which is spiritually wrong.

In the Christian religion homosexuality is effectively one of the flavours of fornication. Its having sexual relationships with someone you should not be sleeping with (for those that practice the religion). A great example of how he felt about people like that was when the Jews caught the women in adultery and brought her to him to be judged so that she could be stoned. He said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." They all left. He then asked her where her accusers where, she said no man. He said, "neither condemn I thee, go thy way and sin no more". So all he did was save her life from the Jews and invited her to change her ways. The choice was still hers. As simple as that. Nowhere in the Christian faith does it call for hate, mistreatment of, or death to people who are homosexual. In fact it preaches a lot of love, tolerance, and kindness to all people. So personally I find that tweet is missing the whole point of Christianity and is not very Christlike, but that is me. I guess people have the right to practice their beliefs the way they see fit provided they don't break the law.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish but fulfill them."

Sorry, Jesus says the old laws still count.

 

[Cius]

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish but fulfill them."

Sorry, Jesus says the old laws still count.

Then why is half of the rest of the new testament the apostles trying to get it through their followers heads that they no longer need to follow the law of Moses?

Why are we then not circumcised, worshiping on a Saturday, killing kids for swearing at their parents, eating pork, and every other old testament law?

 

[Pox]

Then why is half of the rest of the new testament the apostles trying to get it through their followers heads that they no longer need to follow the law of Moses?

Why are we then not circumcised, worshiping on a Saturday, killing kids for swearing at their parents, eating pork, and every other old testament law?

Because...

 

[ponder]

Then why is half of the rest of the new testament the apostles trying to get it through their followers heads that they no longer need to follow the law of Moses?

Why are we then not circumcised, worshiping on a Saturday, killing kids for swearing at their parents, eating pork, and every other old testament law?

Infidels...

 

[surface]

Why are we then not circumcised, worshiping on a Saturday, killing kids for swearing at their parents, eating pork, and every other old testament law?

So your god changed her mind? Doesn't sound like real one to be honest.

 

[buka001]

Not sure why staunch capitalist and free market supporters are crying here?

ARU need sponsors. Sponsors don't want to touch something like this.

The market self corrects.

 

[daveza]

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Deuteronomy 25 11-12

Is that an actual thing ?

 

[ShaunSA]

Then why is half of the rest of the new testament the apostles trying to get it through their followers heads that they no longer need to follow the law of Moses?

Why are we then not circumcised, worshiping on a Saturday, killing kids for swearing at their parents, eating pork, and every other old testament law?

Because you aren't True Christians?

 

[R13...]

Not sure why staunch capitalist and free market supporters are crying here?

ARU need sponsors. Sponsors don't want to touch something like this.

The market self corrects.

Probably true, yet the let him off with a slap to the wrist when he did it the first time. I wonder if they want sponsors more than they want to win the WC. They could have banned him the first time and he'd have been a reformed boy now ready to help them contest the WC, now they are being forced to act because he's obviously taken one too many knocks to the head playing rugby.

 

[SAguy]

Is that an actual thing ?

Happens to me all the time...
Grab 'em by the gentleman sausage

 

[Cray]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...l/news-story/11f3a89a0d7a7378b7511ee6dcdf8781

NRL won’t allow sacked Israel Folau to rejoin the NRL

Israel Folau will not be able to seek refuge in rugby league after ARL Commission chairman Peter Beattie on Thursday banned him from the NRL

One door being firmly closed...

 

[EADC]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...l/news-story/11f3a89a0d7a7378b7511ee6dcdf8781


One door being firmly closed...

Toulon it is then Mourad Boudjellal wouldn't give two shits

 

[Vrotappel]

Good for him, his employer has previously said posting that kind of thing is at odds with their ideals... Do you think the ARU should be obliged to employ someone who publicly posts sentiments that are at odds with the company and sponsor's ethos... The man is already massively privileged to play sport for a living but he should now get a free pass to tarnish the image of the sponsor that helps pay his salary?

Oh they can fire him. They'd just be sinking their only little chance of a world cup win. Their loss I guess. I wonder if the Bulls can make a ply for him...

 

[Jabulani22]

Yeah this looks more like anti Christian hate , he just repeated some of the awkward things in the bible , awkward for those listed mind you.

 

[Techne]

The tyranny of the puratin sodomites.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I see religion being in trouble at some point. As far as I understand it every religion is entitled to their own beliefs (not sure if that is in our constitution, maybe someone knows?) - so I can understand the expectation that if you believe - I dunno (trying to think of a dumb example that won't offend anyone and get me banned) - that pizza is Satan's creation, then you shouldn't encroach on other people's belief that Pizza is good... but should I not be allowed to say that Pizza eaters are going to hell? I mean - I'm not stopping anyone or killing anyone for their belief, just stating it.

Ok, so let's say social media is not the place to state your religious beliefs. Does that account for all religious beliefs, or do you now have to figure out which one's are offensive - which is hard because people are affected by fokken everything.

Also, what about within a church building, can I say whatever I want when I'm at the pew? So I can say there how pizza eaters are going to hell - is that ok? What about if a visitor comes with a friend, and he's a pizza eater. Can he be offended?

I dunno hey. Religious beliefs aren't allowed to encroach on people's rights and free will - but it looks like one of these days people's rights and free will are going to encroach on people's religious beliefs.

Not defending Folau, mostly because he's a hair grabbing tool - just thinking out loud.

Who are you to decide the fate of the pizza eaters for god died for their sins?

Therefore, you have an agenda and must be silenced?