Israel Folau to be sacked by Rugby Australia over homophobic social media posts

[Grant]

The tyranny of the puratin sodomites.

watch yer mouth missey

 

[buka001]

Yeah i saw that earlier , the thing is that one may repent at any time and be saved according to the new testament , he may have simply gotten the tattoo's before believing.
It is allowed in Christianity but you would be expected to fully denounce the sin.

So even though murder is not acceptable, you can go and murder hundreds of people, but as long as you repent and ask for forgiveness it is all good?

But, live your life in peace and harmony, help people, never steal or murder etc and you go to hell for eternity because you don't believe in God and never accept Jesus?

Yeah makes sense, what a just religion you have!

 

[Pitbull]

Maybe that's because you were never persecuted or discriminated against. Come on Pitty I thought you can do better than this..

Shame, sounds like BLF and EFF who cries about Land and Jobs due to being oppressed 30 years ago

 

[surface]

Nobody is condemned as even the most serious of sins can be forgiven , you just have to accept and do certain things .
Posting old testament things which admittedly havent changed and showing little understanding of the subject through one word answers makes it seem like you are only here to Christian bash .

You do realize you are born as a muslim, right? Ahmed told me that everyone is a born muslim. So, if I were you, I would stop thumping bible and get on with the real religion.

 

[EADC]

Oh Snap Toulon out too

Toulon owner Mourad Boudjellal has labelled Israel Folau "a moron", ultimately ending any rumours of the controversial Wallabies star could head to the French club.

https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/...al-ends-israel-folau-to-toulon-rumours/615653

 

[Cray]

Oh Snap Toulon out too

Toulon owner Mourad Boudjellal has labelled Israel Folau "a moron", ultimately ending any rumours of the controversial Wallabies star could head to the French club.

https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/...al-ends-israel-folau-to-toulon-rumours/615653

Seems the one thing Izzy is better at than rugby is burning bridges....

 

[Pitbull]

I read he has opted for the disciplinary to take place first. With his religious stance and a truck load of lawyers, I don't think he's going anywhere soon.

 

[ShaunSA]

Oh Snap Toulon out too

Toulon owner Mourad Boudjellal has labelled Israel Folau "a moron", ultimately ending any rumours of the controversial Wallabies star could head to the French club.

https://www.ultimaterugby.com/news/...al-ends-israel-folau-to-toulon-rumours/615653

 

[ToxicBunny]

Classic!

Mourad, you sir are a legend.

 

[buka001]

I read he has opted for the disciplinary to take place first. With his religious stance and a truck load of lawyers, I don't think he's going anywhere soon.

Yeah he broke his organisations' rules regarding social media. So irrespective of its content, he broke their rules.

 

[Pitbull]

Yeah he broke his organisations' rules regarding social media. So irrespective of its content, he broke their rules.

He has a constitutional right to freedom of speech and religion. Not the walk in the park you want it to be.

 

[Cray]

He has a constitutional right to freedom of speech and religion. Not the walk in the park you want it to be.

So would that "constitutional right" to freedom of speech extend to calling your boss c*** on social media and saying all your companies products are worthless?

Some examples of that "right" being curtailed...

https://www.apsc.gov.au/making-public-comment-social-media-guide-employees

As members of the Australian community, Australian Public Service (APS) employees have the right to participate in public and political debate.

But this is not an unlimited right. APS employees have particular responsibilities under the Public Service Act 1999 that come with being employed as a public servant by the Commonwealth of Australia. In some cases, these responsibilities limit their ability to participate fully in public discussions, including on social media.

In general, APS employees must not make public comment that may lead a reasonable person to conclude that they cannot serve the government of the day impartially and professionally.

https://www.smartcompany.com.au/peo...al-media-five-unfair-dismissal-cases-lessons/

Commission found the worker’s posts clearly damaged his relationship with other staff members, and could have brought the business into disrepute. Because the employee had previously been warned about his social media use, the Commission found the business was within its rights to fire him.

So yeah, freedom of speech doesn't extend to you running down the organisation that pays your salary.

 

[buka001]

So would that "constitutional right" to freedom of speech extend to calling your boss c*** on social media and saying all your companies products are worthless?

I will fund that Constitutional Court case, just for the satisfaction of watching it all unfold and the misery of people who don't understand what Freedom of Speech means.

 

[Pitbull]

So would that "constitutional right" to freedom of speech extend to calling your boss c*** on social media and saying all your companies products are worthless?

Not the same to what he said now is it?

If you're gay and not Christian, why does it matter? Or Christian and Gay, again, what does it matter what he says? He has a right to hold that opinion he's not discriminating against ones with his views.

 

[Cray]

I will fund that Constitutional Court case, just for the satisfaction of watching it all unfold and the misery of people who don't understand what Freedom of Speech means.

Would also like to see how many of those people who fawn about freedom of speech in this case where all to happy to see Colin Kaepernick get blacklisted due to the "damage" he did to the NFL.

 

[Pitbull]

Would also like to see how many of those people who fawn about freedom of speech in this case where all to happy to see Colin Kaepernick get blacklisted due to the "damage" he did to the NFL.

Same claim Unhappy brought up yesterday...

I don't recall most of us really having an issue with those players taking a knee. I felt it's pathetic, but they have a right to do it...

 

[Speedster]

Yeah he broke his organisations' rules regarding social media. So irrespective of its content, he broke their rules.

Apparently RA are in trouble over the clauses they inserted into his new contract as these are in violation of the agreement between RA and the players union.

 

[Cray]

Not the same to what he said now is it?.

It is actually, his organisation maintains a policy of exclusiveness and not judging people on their sexuality, as a representative of said organisation what he said was in direct violation of that policy. If gay people see that one of the top rugby players in Australia is bigoted against homosexuals that might mean fewer of them will be interested in playing or following the sport...

If you're gay and not Christian, why does it matter? Or Christian and Gay, again, what does it matter what he says? He has a right to hold that opinion he's not discriminating against ones with his views.

His opinion is not at issue, he can hold any opinion he likes as long as he doesn't broadcast said opinion on social media while being expected to be a role model for that organisation.

 

[Speedster]

It is actually, his organisation maintains a policy of exclusiveness and not judging people on their sexuality, as a representative of said organisation what he said was in direct violation of that policy. If gay people see that one of the top rugby players in Australia is bigoted against homosexuals that might mean fewer of them will be interested in playing or following the sport...



His opinion is not at issue, he can hold any opinion he likes as long as he doesn't broadcast said opinion on social media while being expected to be a role model for that organisation.

So then your employer has a right to determine which opinions you may or may not voice?

 

[Lucas Buck]

Kinda like the NFL players taking a knee? Guess their free speech and opinions meant bugger all then.

My opinion regarding the kneel in the nfl was that it was harmless, those players could have expressed their opinions in a disrespectful way which they didn’t. They were humble in the way that they went about the protest and people got their feelings hurt.

The NFL players were however using their place of work to exercise their freedom of speech, thereby not separating their place of work from their personal opinions/beliefs so I see a slight difference in these two situations due to Folau not using a Rugby field or anything to do with the ARU to express the religious beliefs of christains.

Even though I'm in agreement with the message that the nfl players were trying to send and the way they went about the protest I do think that Folau has a stronger case when it comes to not involving is place of work with is personal beliefs.