Israel Folau to be sacked by Rugby Australia over homophobic social media posts

[Cray]

So then your employer has a right to determine which opinions you may or may not voice?

Of course, of do you think you should be allowed to run down your company, boss, co-workers on social media as an employee of that company and be free from any consequences?

Not one is saying you cannot say these things, just that voicing those thing means you might not be able to retain your job.

 

[buka001]

Apparently RA are in trouble over the clauses they inserted into his new contract as these are in violation of the agreement between RA and the players union.

Did Israel sign the contract?

Is the contract illegal?

Unions always have issues with employment contracts. Unless their is something illegal (like Israel is required to kill 2 All Blacks per year) with the contract, a dispute with the union is not a contractual matter.

 

[EADC]

Of course, of do you think you should be allowed to run down your company, boss, co-workers on social media as an employee of that company and be free from any consequences?

Not one is saying you cannot say these things, just that voicing those thing means you might not be able to retain your job.

And there is the most important word consequences.

 

[Pitbull]

It is actually, his organisation maintains a policy of exclusiveness and not judging people on their sexuality, as a representative of said organisation what he said was in direct violation of that policy. If gay people see that one of the top rugby players in Australia is bigoted against homosexuals that might mean fewer of them will be interested in playing or following the sport...

That's the company, and they will have to defend their stance. Nothing wrong with that. But don't sit here and claim he's wrong because his employer says so. This is going to get ugly quickly. And I actually support these type of cases. I feel he is 100% entitled to his opinion and the right to share it. Part of his religion is sharing the message, it's his duty as a Christian. So in essence, his employer is impeding on his religious right

His opinion is not at issue, he can hold any opinion he likes as long as he doesn't broadcast said opinion on social media while being expected to be a role model for that organisation.

He's a Rugby player, he get's paid to play rugby. His religion and his views/utterances with regards to his religion is not why he's employed. If they don't want Christians to be employed, they are again impeding his right to freedom of religion. The problem these companies have is that spreading the message of Christ and "fishing" for people to repent is the corner stone of his religion.

 

[buka001]

So then your employer has a right to determine which opinions you may or may not voice?

Yes.

Do you think any reasonable boss would allow an employee to walk about the office shouting racists, or sexist expletives all day long? The employee is voicing his opinion after all.

 

[Speedster]

Of course, of do you think you should be allowed to run down your company, boss, co-workers on social media as an employee of that company and be free from any consequences?

Not one is saying you cannot say these things, just that voicing those thing means you might not be able to retain your job.

I don't think he said anything about his employers, boss etc, erg. In any case, if a government employee, e.g. a public sector medical doctor, was barred from making comments criticising the ANC you'd be good with that?

 

[buka001]

That's the company, and they will have to defend their stance. Nothing wrong with that. But don't sit here and claim he's wrong because his employer says so. This is going to get ugly quickly. And I actually support these type of cases. I feel he is 100% entitled to his opinion and the right to share it. Part of his religion is sharing the message, it's his duty as a Christian. So in essence, his employer is impeding on his religious right



He's a Rugby player, he get's paid to play rugby. His religion and his views/utterances with regards to his religion is not why he's employed. If they don't want Christians to be employed, they are again impeding his right to freedom of religion. The problem these companies have is that spreading the message of Christ and "fishing" for people to repent is the corner stone of his religion.

What if he was Muslim and was expressing his Islamic views out loud? What would you think then?

P.S. Can I bookmark your response?

 

[Pitbull]

And there is the most important word consequences.

I agree 100%. But you can't allow freedom of religion and then punish someone for sharing the word of your chosen religion.

I might not agree with Islam as a religion at all. I don't take issue with people broadcasting 70 virgins for Jihad. I have a problem with people committing Jihad. See the difference?

 

[surface]

So he was sacked by expressing what is written in a book that 2 billion+ people believe in ?

 

[EADC]

I agree 100%. But you can't allow freedom of religion and then punish someone for sharing the word of your chosen religion.

I might not agree with Islam as a religion at all. I don't take issue with people broadcasting 70 virgins for Jihad. I have a problem with people committing Jihad. See the difference?

Yeah I am not going to take the word of a hypocrite.

 

[Pitbull]

What if he was Muslim and was expressing his Islamic views out loud? What would you think then?

P.S. Can I bookmark your response?

See my post below yours. I have ZERO issue with what Islam does or what Muslims broadcast. It's doesn't phase me, their actions however does. I don't agree with their indoctrination and creating Jihadists. But that again doesn't phase me unless they actually kill innocent people.

 

[Speedster]

Did Israel sign the contract?

Is the contract illegal?

Unions always have issues with employment contracts. Unless their is something illegal (like Israel is required to kill 2 All Blacks per year) with the contract, a dispute with the union is not a contractual matter.

Previously it had been reported that a social media clause had been included in Folau’s contract.

However, if, indeed, that is the case, Rugby Australia could be in breach of their contract with Folau because under the Australian Rugby Collective Bargaining Agreement, any extra terms and conditions can only be put in the player’s contract if they are “potentially more beneficial”.

Source

https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/...e/news-story/3084522b31a6dda079ad1d46766186bc

 

[Pitbull]

Yeah I am not going to take the word of a hypocrite.

So now I'm a hypocrite? Ok then...

 

[EADC]

So now I'm a hypocrite? Ok then...

Lol not you Folau.

 

[Speedster]

Lol not you Folau.

So anyone holding a belief different to yours is a hypocrite?

 

[Cray]

That's the company, and they will have to defend their stance. Nothing wrong with that. But don't sit here and claim he's wrong because his employer says so.

I'm not and never have, I am saying he is wrong because I disagree with the tenants of his religion and that he is also a bit of a hypocrit.

He's a Rugby player, he get's paid to play rugby. His religion and his views/utterances with regards to his religion is not why he's employed. If they don't want Christians to be employed, they are again impeding his right to freedom of religion. The problem these companies have is that spreading the message of Christ and "fishing" for people to repent is the corner stone of his religion.

All the other christian rugby players in Australia manage not to fall foul of this, why is he the only one? As for him being employed as a rugby player, part of that includes doing certain things for sponsors. If you are at odds with what a sponsor says and does and state is publicly then you will have problems. He is selected as a representative of Australian rugby, he wears their colours and their sponsors on his Wallaby jersey, of course he is required to be a role model and that is why there is a social media section in his contract.

Contrast this with Hashim Amla and Castle Lager, he made it clear that consumption of alcohol was against his religion and the they worked out a deal where he didn't have to wear the branding. What he didn't do was go on social media and say that all of the other members of his team where going to hell for supporting a beer company.

 

[EADC]

So anyone holding a belief different to yours is a hypocrite?

Nope see post 14.

 

[Pitbull]

Lol not you Folau.

Each and every religion has followers following things they like and don't follow those they don't. No single exclusion anywhere in the world!

 

[EADC]

Each and every religion has followers following things they like and don't follow those they don't. No single exclusion anywhere in the world!

Hence I don't like religious folk who want to preach and be all holier than though.

 

[surface]

Yeah I am not going to take the word of a hypocrite.

Lol not you Folau.

Come to think of it, Folau was at least being honest by expressing the written word that he believes ? Not like this is a metaphor, that is fable and we don't do that anymore and dog has plans and all kind of crap.