Oh good lord I cannot believe someone actually was so stupid as to quote such a ridiculous piece of propaganda.
Halicon, you earn yourself a noddy badge.
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation-state in 1312 B.C, 2,000 years before the rise of Islam, and was a nation before that.
IRRELEVANT.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
So who cares what the **** they call themselves? They've been living there the whole time. Besides, given the closeness of the name Palestine to Philistine, I'm shocked anyone really thinks they weren't living there the whole time.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C., the Jews have had dominion over the land for 1,000 years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
So then I guess it's OK to take a land by conquest, huh? Why the hell are the Israeli's then moaning that the Arab world wants to annihilate them? Fair's fair, if we go by this ridiculous standard.
4. The Arabs conquered Palestine in 635 AD, stealing it from its legitimate Jewish rulers, who had evicted the Byzantines while being led by a woman general, one Hefzibah, who then restored Jewish sovereignty. Palestine was stolen from the Jews by the Arabs and not the other way around. Arab sovereignty over Palestine ended in 1071 when the area was conquered by Seljuk Turks. “Palestinian” Arabs never held sovereignty over “Palestine” and cannot even pronounce the name of their supposed “homeland”. They cannot say “Palestine”.
I thought it was OK to take a land by conquest? What's this "stolen" nonsense?
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
But the real issue is, how many arabs have been living IN Jerusalem?
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Qur'an (Koran).
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
IRRELEVANT
This is not about ****ing religions! It's about two groups of people fighting over the same land. What nonsense. Arabs were living in the area LONG before the rise of Islam. There are Palestinian Jews and Christians too!
I've got a statue in the back of my garden - I pray facing it every morning. It's the Statue of the Divine Xarog. Does that suddenly mean I've got sole rights to live in S.A. and the rest of you must all **** off, because you don't pray facing my statue?
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
IRRELEVANT
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
And how many of them ever saw arab soldiers?
And hey, I guess we'll conveniently ignore the barbarity described in the Torah when the Israelites first came to the region. I mean, genocide doesn't matter if it happened in biblical times, right?
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be between 400,000 and 630,000, many of whom in fact were allowed to return after the Israeli war of Independence ended.. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be much larger.
Irrelevant.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, the Arabs are the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country smaller than the state of New Jersey.
What stupidity. Why don't the Zulus and Xhosas share the same lands, they're both black, right? Or what about the Scots and the English?
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by 22 independent states, not including what Israel has offered the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended herself each time and won.
Bull****. Israel has instigated wars on many occasions.
14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. In the 1990s Israel gave the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.
Israel is a racist state which discriminates against people on unjustified grounds such as ethnic origins and religious beliefs. Anyone in their right mind should want to see this racist state destroyed, just like the racist state that was Apartheid South Africa should have been (and was) destroyed.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
Bull****. Israel has bulldozed plenty of mosques in order to make way for synagogues or settlements and the like.
16. The United Nations (U.N.) Record on Israel and the Arabs: Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 U.N. General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
Yeah, the world really hates the Jews...
Or maybe, just
MAYBE Israel is actually a racist entity which deserves to be censured.
18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians. Kind of like its silence over the massacres of Algerians or Sudanese by Arab fascists.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting their holy sites at the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. Similar discrimination against Jews has continued under Israeli rule.
One wonders how many things the UN has been silent about regarding Israel's abuses... But I guess propaganda pieces don't really care to look at both sides of the story.
The above are FACTS so before you think of initiating your africanised logic into this debate do some research, and maybe with the spirit of revolution that you come blundering along with the jaded remarks into this forum you can maybe initiate some intelligent and rational comments. (although thats like asking sa to pull off 2010)
Facts? This nonsense? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Everything i have mentioned is FACT and i have yet to see you or anyone here disprove any of these facts that i have mentioned. All you can do is write self righteous, brown nosed, pro-stupid rubbish.
Well, I have yet to see you disprove that I've got a statue of Xarog in my back garden. You can leave me your house keys on the way to the airport, I live close-by.
thanks you have proved how far you can think: Halibut. You sir can not debate so go back and fix pc's or woteva you do for a livin, cuz you will never make it in an intellectual arena as you have clearly demonstrated to me and this community.
I trust waiting for anything remotely similar to thinking from your behalf would be futile.
I still don't know whether I want to laugh or cry. You post nonsense such as this and then you accuse other people of not having the capacity to debate because they don't accept the nonsense you post.
show me palestine on a map.
Go look at any map of the area in 1900. The whole place was a british colony, called... *drumroll*... Palestine!
