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Iran vs. Israel - wonder who will come out tops ?

From News24.com

Tehran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahamadinejad said on Tuesday Israel would "soon disappear", as did the Soviet Union.

"When I said what was in the mind of the nation, that this regime (Israel) would disappear, the Zionist network attacked me a lot," the president told participants in Iran's controversial Holocaust conference.

"But just as the USSR disappeared, soon the Zionist regime will disappear," he said.
 
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hate to be the bearer of bad news for the ahmadinejad fans, but take a look at an atlas..

iran is surrounded by US and NATO forces

iran might be powerful but would they be able to survive a full scale attack from the US and Israel? :p

Saddam also had a big mouth back when he was raping women and still a dictator, now hes just a ragged unshaven nobody rotting away behind bars

The difference between Sadam and Ahmadinejad is, while the US wanted Sadam alive, I dont think Israel will hesitate blowing Ahmadinejad to pieces :)
 
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No one was reported wounded and no damage to property was reported in the latest attack. Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

- ofcourse this doesnt make our pro Palestinian news.. but a retaliation from Israel should there be one surely will
 
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Probably wont make our news either since it wasnt Israel that killed the kids..

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...dec11,0,5980211.story?coll=la-headlines-world

Slaying of official's children could ignite Gaza tensions

GAZA CITY -- Three young sons of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer and their driver were killed today by gunmen on a street crowded with schoolchildren in an attack that could ignite fighting between Palestinian factions.

Witnesses said at least two gunmen emerged from a car and opened fire with Kalashnikov rifles after blocking the vehicle carrying the children of intelligence officer Baha Balousheh, a loyalist of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

The boys, ages 6, 7 and 9, died along with their 25-year-old driver. At least four bystanders were wounded in the 6:15 a.m. attack, hospital officials said.
 
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Difference is saddam was a bad guy, and the arab world knew, not to mention sanctions on iraq makes their 'army' a joke. I doubt very much iran has nukes unlike Israel, but trust me they use it and the world will destroy the Israeli state.. not the arabs especially if there is no other nuke fired at them. Then again with Nkorea and Iran having some ties, a nuke in the US as a gift will be a nice surprise to them.

Americans support Israel like the Arabs support America. huh? funny rug they weave but thats how it is.
 
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krycor said:
Difference is saddam was a bad guy, and the arab world knew, not to mention sanctions on iraq makes their 'army' a joke.
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Wouldn't exactly regard the Iranian ayatollahs as warm, friendly people but maybe that's just me! Plenty of Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia wouldn't mind Iran being removed as a regional power anyway, and those that are US-aligned, the Gulf states, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait etc. are unlikely to oppose the US even if they don't actively support them.

krycor said:
I doubt very much iran has nukes unlike Israel, but trust me they use it and the world will destroy the Israeli state.. not the arabs especially if there is no other nuke fired at them.
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Who would destroy them? Iran would presumably be obliterated, leaving Syria and Lebanon/Hezbollah severely weakened, really doubt the Israeli's would launch even a conventional strike, let alone a nuclear one, without a green light from the US so countries like Egypt, Jordan, Gulf states like the UAE, Qatar etc. are unlikely to take any concrete action, although expect howls of protest etc., especially considering the large US troop presences in some of them.

What are the chances of the Israeli's/US actually launching a nuclear first strike anyway? Probably the only foreseeable scenario in which it might be possible is if the Israelis have their backs against the wall and see it as the only option to prevent an Iranian nuclear strike on Jerusalem. Tel Aviv, Haifa etc. and even then if possible it'd probably be limited to a tactical strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, rather than strategic bombing of Tehran. If they do get to that stage though they'll clearly be a lot less limited in their response and concerned about collateral damage, civilian casualties etc. if they're attacked by others and end up bombing Beirut or Damascus etc.

krycor said:
Americans support Israel like the Arabs support America. huh? funny rug they weave but thats how it is.
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Think AIPAC does quite well in ensuring American support for Israel, and Bush especially wouldn't want to upset his Evangelical Christian base. The US-Allied Arabs of course need some sort of military force and security guarantee to prop up their clearly undemocratic regimes.
 
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At the OP. It doesn't have to be Iran vs. Israel at all. The USSR dissappeared because of internal pressures and the fact that they couldn't afford to be a superpower any longer. I think Ahamadinejad was referring to similar pressures causing Israel's implosion rather than being taken out in a conflict.

nivek said:
hate to be the bearer of bad news for the ahmadinejad fans, but take a look at an atlas..

iran is surrounded by US and NATO forces

iran might be powerful but would they be able to survive a full scale attack from the US and Israel?

Saddam also had a big mouth back when he was raping women and still a dictator, now hes just a ragged unshaven nobody rotting away behind bars

The difference between Sadam and Ahmadinejad is, while the US wanted Sadam alive, I dont think Israel will hesitate blowing Ahmadinejad to pieces
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America can barely keep Iraq under control and it was weakened by a war and 12 years of sanctions. Iran, on the other hand, is not suffering any sanctions and has a reasonably well equipped military. Above that they're not stupid enough to simply attempt to take any invaders head on.

Then there's the problem of political will. It's going to be very hard if not impossible to start a war of agression against Iran.

Nivek said:
No one was reported wounded and no damage to property was reported in the latest attack. Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

- ofcourse this doesnt make our pro Palestinian news.. but a retaliation from Israel should there be one surely will
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This is off-topic. Why do you bring it up here?

Wouldn't exactly regard the Iranian ayatollahs as warm, friendly people but maybe that's just me! Plenty of Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia wouldn't mind Iran being removed as a regional power anyway, and those that are US-aligned, the Gulf states, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait etc. are unlikely to oppose the US even if they don't actively support them.
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Interestingly enough those same Ayatollahs have voted to end Ahamadinejad's rule 18 months early. Hopefully Bush will stfu this time and not stick his foot in his mouth and send all the Iranians flocking to the radicals muslims because they oppose the US.

Syndyre said:
Think AIPAC does quite well in ensuring American support for Israel, and Bush especially wouldn't want to upset his Evangelical Christian base. The US-Allied Arabs of course need some sort of military force and security guarantee to prop up their clearly undemocratic regimes.
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I always found that Ironic. The mad Christians who want to bring about the end of days want the Jews in Israel because that's one of the things that needs to happen before armageddon can start. Nevermind that in the scriptures, Israel (and everyone in it) is supposed to burn. And yet the Jews always claim that the Christians are their allies. :D
 
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IamCanadian said:
Iran doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
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The clique that runs Iran very much embrace death or as they put it blessed matyrdom , in fact they consider it an essential ingredient of the chaos and death that is needed to bring the about the second coming of the Shia Messiah or hidden 13th imman.

During the Iran-Iraq war these are the same sort of people who would send young kids walking through landmine fields to detonate it and themselves so that their tanks and soldiers could pass through safely.

The West except Isreal is far too stupid to assume that these people also play by the same rules as we do i.e that we love our children and kind of like to live a long time.

But we have lost the fight already as we don't have the moral stomach for what is required to deal with them and my only hope is that S.A will escape the coming nuclear storm but you sadly are going to glow in the dark soon :).
 
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Isreal wont go down without a fight, and anybody that stupid enoug to push the nuclear trigger in that region is going to create a nuclear wasteland which will eradicate large portions of the population of the middle east and shift the worlds already wonky climate a bit more into extremism. Naturally no politicians will get injured because they will all be cowering in their deep underground bunkers.
 
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Xarog said:
America can barely keep Iraq under control and it was weakened by a war and 12 years of sanctions. Iran, on the other hand, is not suffering any sanctions and has a reasonably well equipped military. Above that they're not stupid enough to simply attempt to take any invaders head on.
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Different situations completely. If the US was drawn into a conflict with Iran, it would not be about occupation.
 
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These links don't hold up...
South Africa has nuclear, chemical and biological WMDs! :eek:
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It does seem to hold up if you read the full info behind it

The IAEA declared it had completed its inspection in late 1994 and that South Africa's nuclear weapons facilities had been dismantled.
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So we had nukes but we don't any more...
 
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IamCanadian said:
Only for another 18 months until Billary Clinton takes over.:sick:
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Stop it now damn it.

One thing is for sure, Ahamadinejad will be supporting her all the way. She would allow Iran to develop nukes:eek: . It's amazing how often lefties and tyrants support the same people.

Xarog said:
At the OP. It doesn't have to be Iran vs. Israel at all. The USSR dissappeared because of internal pressures and the fact that they couldn't afford to be a superpower any longer. I think Ahamadinejad was referring to similar pressures causing Israel's implosion rather than being taken out in a conflict.


America can barely keep Iraq under control and it was weakened by a war and 12 years of sanctions. Iran, on the other hand, is not suffering any sanctions and has a reasonably well equipped military. Above that they're not stupid enough to simply attempt to take any invaders head on.

Then there's the problem of political will. It's going to be very hard if not impossible to start a war of agression against Iran.


This is off-topic. Why do you bring it up here?


Interestingly enough those same Ayatollahs have voted to end Ahamadinejad's rule 18 months early. Hopefully Bush will stfu this time and not stick his foot in his mouth and send all the Iranians flocking to the radicals muslims because they oppose the US.


I always found that Ironic. The mad Christians who want to bring about the end of days want the Jews in Israel because that's one of the things that needs to happen before armageddon can start. Nevermind that in the scriptures, Israel (and everyone in it) is supposed to burn. And yet the Jews always claim that the Christians are their allies. :D
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Isreal ain't gonna disintegrate by themselves. No matter how much the bias mass media might try to portray it.

You got a point there. It's not the military strength that counts in the long run put the political will power. As long as there are those that use complete apathy or fear towards war and offer the "easy way out" democracies will have a hard time sustaining a war or even starting one. Don't the tyrants know it too. Strange bedfellows lefties and tyrants.

It's up to the Iranians whether Bush will stick his boot up their @ss. If they continue to allow their leaders to go down the path they are heading then they'll all pay a heavy price.

The "mad christians" have a lot less influence on world affairs that certain people claim to cover their own impotence.


tibby.dude said:
The clique that runs Iran very much embrace death or as they put it blessed matyrdom , in fact they consider it an essential ingredient of the chaos and death that is needed to bring the about the second coming of the Shia Messiah or hidden 13th imman.

During the Iran-Iraq war these are the same sort of people who would send young kids walking through landmine fields to detonate it and themselves so that their tanks and soldiers could pass through safely.

The West except Isreal is far too stupid to assume that these people also play by the same rules as we do i.e that we love our children and kind of like to live a long time.

But we have lost the fight already as we don't have the moral stomach for what is required to deal with them and my only hope is that S.A will escape the coming nuclear storm but you sadly are going to glow in the dark soon :).
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Brilliant

Well said Tibby. Admittedly I don't agree with you at the best of times but this post is up there with the very best I've come across on this forum.

Saying that I think there is still a chance to avoid the "nuclear storm".


GavinMannion said:
It does seem to hold up if you read the full info behind it

So we had nukes but we don't any more...
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Thank God for that.
 
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Bush = Ahamadinejad

Is Hiliary a buddy of Oprah? Then she would win. As usual the democrats don't have any serious contenders (bit like the da I suppose.) :D

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