Israel's retaliates to ongoing Hamarse aggression against it's civilians

[Alan]

Interesting how they say 200 as if they're all innocent civilians . Not a single Hamas extremist killed then.......

So the logic is you must kill an equal amount of extremists who are actively attacking you as the innocent civilians killed by them. 100 extremists kill 3 civilians meaning you can only kill 3 of the 100 extremists in retaliation. Wow truly 'progressive' thinking there

 

[Fudzy]

Interesting how they say 200 as if they're all innocent civilians . Not a single Hamas extremist killed then.......

So the logic is you must kill an equal amount of extremists who are actively attacking you as the innocent civilians killed by them. 100 extremists kill 3 civilians meaning you can only kill 3 of the 100 extremists in retaliation. Wow truly 'progressive' thinking there

I sincerely hope the majority of fatalities in the attack were terrorists, unfortunately the pictures and news say otherwise.

That's not to say that the situation hasn't probably generated a new generation of bitter orphans and injured that become terrorists.

 

[Sackboy]

I sincerely hope the majority of fatalities in the attack were terrorists, unfortunately the pictures and news say otherwise.

That's not to say that the situation hasn't probably generated a new generation of bitter orphans and injured that become terrorists.

There's truth in that.
The Palestinians are very good at putting rockets in civilian areas to try and deter an attack. IMHO they should be strung up for that. In fact, the people who put the rickets in place often make tracks after triggering them. Similar tactics were used by Hamas in Lebanon.

 

[PeterCH]

I sincerely hope the majority of fatalities in the attack were terrorists, unfortunately the pictures and news say otherwise.

That's not to say that the situation hasn't probably generated a new generation of bitter orphans and injured that become terrorists.

Yes. If you don't retaliate you're soft and you invite more attacks,
if you do retaliate you're hardline and you create more recruits for terrorism.

As said, damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

I'm personally against any loss of life, on both sides, but what can be done?

 

[Fudzy]

Yes. If you don't retaliate you're soft and you invite more attacks,
if you do retaliate you're hardline and you create more recruits for terrorism.

As said, damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

I'm personally against any loss of life, on both sides, but what can be done?

Like most war torn areas, they find themselves in God awful catch 22 situations. Busy reading Playing the Enemy, it sounds like they need a Nelson Mandela to calm everyone the fsck down.

 

[shadow_man]

Egypt has opened their borders, so we know where the weapons and ammo are coming from.

Egypt is one of Israel's few allies... along with Jordan... So I doubt its officially coming from Egypt...

 

[nivek]

Hmmm seems everyone forget that the rockets were fired into what should be the palestinian areas. Occupied territories my ass.

The idea that 100 tons of firepower be used on a population because +-65 of them fired rockets is extremely small minded thinking (sounds like there are many supporters of the Apartheid regime as the thinking is the same.

200 hundred lives for one (must be some wierd maths going on in ur heads).

Hamas is not innocent and like not all jews follows the current political ways of Israel not all pAlestinians are violent (wow that might shock some of you guys).

What it comes down to is if Israel stuck to there borders as defined by the Un resolutions (yes they are defined). Maybe the rockets would be less.

If you opress a people to the extent that Israel has, then you reap what you sow.

I wonder if this happened to your town/family weather your reaction would be so cavalier.

Everyone knows that Israel has superior weaponry and cough nuclear power.
This act should go to show the world that Israel is as agressive as Iran if not worse.

Defend isael all you want but until the occupied territories are returned they are and will always be on the wrong side.

Let the flames begin

65 rockets???????????? yeah in the past week alone

They have been firing rockets from Gaza into Sderot EVERY single day for years now.. how much is enough? When exactly do you want Israel to say our people and town has been under rocket fire for long enough, its time for us to do something about it?

Israels retaliation was long over due, it should have happend when the first rocket was fired.. its unfortunate innocent people died, but thats hamas's responsibility

 

[sand_man]

A lot has been said about excessive use of force by the Israelis resulting in over 200 Pallie casualties but the Israelis are targeting Hamas, their fight is with Hamas, not the Pallies. If Hamas entrench themselves amongst civilians then it is inevitable that there will be civilian casualties and Hamas is banking on this, they gain sympathy when innocent civilians are killed or injured but they have their peoples blood on their hands and the children are paying for their fathers sins.

As for the theory that if only 1 Israeli were killed then only 1 Hamas terrorist should be killed, that is preposterous. Israel and no nation under attack for that matter can be expected to allow the attackers any sort of reprieve. Hamas intention is to wipe Israel off the map, should Israel wait until they've had enough practise in doing that before they launch a concerted offensive???!!! Nonsense, never, Israel has the advantage and the military infrastructure to prevent further Israeli casualties and they will ensure that no more of her citizens are lost to an organization who targets innocent civilians, sets up its camp amongst innocent civilians and then cannot understand when innocent civilians end up as causalities..

 

[LazyLion]

A lot has been said about excessive use of force by the Israelis resulting in over 200 Pallie casualties but the Israelis are targeting Hamas, their fight is with Hamas, not the Pallies. If Hamas entrench themselves amongst civilians then it is inevitable that there will be civilian casualties and Hamas is banking on this, they gain sympathy when innocent civilians are killed or injured but they have their peoples blood on their hands and the children are paying for their fathers sins.

As for the theory that if only 1 Israeli were killed then only 1 Hamas terrorist should be killed, that is preposterous. Israel and no nation under attack for that matter can be expected to allow the attackers any sort of reprieve. Hamas intention is to wipe Israel off the map, should Israel wait until they've had enough practise in doing that before they launch a concerted offensive???!!! Nonsense, never, Israel has the advantage and the military infrastructure to prevent further Israeli casualties and they will ensure that no more of her citizens are lost to an organization who targets innocent civilians, sets up its camp amongst innocent civilians and then cannot understand when innocent civilians end up as causalities..

+1

Exactly... I just said that in another thread.

These are not "civilian casualties" ... the civilians all left long time ago as soon as Khazad and his buddies started firing 200 rockets a day towards Israel. These are Hamas people who are now playing the "actors" as the injured ones.

I don't buy it. If you stick around a military target you deserve to get a stinger missile up your kazoo.

 

[BBSA]

+1

Exactly... I just said that in another thread.

These are not "civilian casualties" ... the civilians all left long time ago as soon as Khazad and his buddies started firing 200 rockets a day towards Israel. These are Hamas people who are now playing the "actors" as the injured ones.

I don't buy it. If you stick around a military target you deserve to get a stinger missile up your kazoo.

+1

It is all just propaganda.

 

[marine1]

Israel is expecting 200+ rockets to be fired daily after the air strikes, things are going to escalate......

 

[LazyLion]

Israel is expecting 200+ rockets to be fired daily after the air strikes, things are going to escalate......

So, I am sure the IDF has plenty more to return back to them.

Besides... there are only so many missiles needed to level a piece of land 360 square kilometers.

If Hamas was serious about the safety of its people they would have stopped the rockets a long time ago.

 

[marine1]

If Hamas was serious about the safety of its people they would have stopped the rockets a long time ago.

Exactly, I think they are being funded by Syria and Iran, this is a proxy war. Also I think this is being done to take the focus off Iran and their nuclear capabilities. There is much more going on here than we know.

 

[nivek]

Exactly, I think they are being funded by Syria and Iran, this is a proxy war. Also I think this is being done to take the focus off Iran and their nuclear capabilities. There is much more going on here than we know.

Definately!!! +1

Hamas are Irans puppets

 

[marine1]

Definately!!! +1

Hamas are Irans puppets

My thoughts too. You know I have been watching the series "Spooks", yes I know it is only a TV show but you have to look at they way the world works in this show and come to understand we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. It is very interesting, when they deal with the Iran issue and the nukes they may or may not have ...yet.
I think the next 5-10 years, we are going to see some kind of world war again and this time it is going to be a fought by nuclear powers, including Russia

 

[nivek]

My thoughts too. You know I have been watching the series "Spooks", yes I know it is only a TV show but you have to look at they way the world works in this show and come to understand we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. It is very interesting, when they deal with the Iran issue and the nukes they may or may not have ...yet.
I think the next 5-10 years, we are going to see some kind of world war again and this time it is going to be a fought by nuclear powers, including Russia

yeah

never seen the series spooks,

i think if it wasnt for america's military dominance, we wouldve had a WW3 already

 

[marine1]

Agreed, as soon as Iran become nuclear, which I believe is happening faster than we would care to know, we are in a new world. You must get Spooks, I am on Season 7, if this is what happens, I would rather not know

 

[alloytoo]

1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 Children killed by Israelis

Define children?

Palestinians are shooting at IDF from the age of 10 onward.

 

[alloytoo]

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

Israel in breach of UN resolutions

Come now, let address those resolutions one at a time.

How many are "recommendations" which you can't be in breech of, and how many are "Condemnations" which again you can't be in breach of.

Be specific come on.

 

[Frankie]

Noting the numbers below, it is clear that Israel is targeting only the militants/terrorists.

Israel bombed Gaza for a third day Monday in an "all-out war" on Hamas, as tanks massed on the border and the Islamists fired deadly rockets in retaliation for the blitz that has killed at least 318 people.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=910917
Defence Minister Ehud Barak, who has warned of a possible ground offensive, declared that the Jewish state was in "an all-out war with Hamas and its proxies."

"We will avoid as much as possible hitting civilians while the people of Hamas and other terrorists deliberately hide and operate within the civilian population," he told a parliamentary session.

At least 51 civilians, including children, have died as a result of the Israeli bombardment, a spokesman for the UN Palestinian refugee agency said.