It’s not just BEE, race-based affirmative action must go too

[losta]

Any of you ever done a computer science lecture in Afrikaans?

One of my closest associates has done many of them in Lithuanian.
If google can do it...

 

[deweyzeph]

And is it 11? Cause that's the other issues, which languages get taught do you want 11 different schools for all different languages?

In reality Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele and Swati are just dialects of the same language. Likewise Sotho and Tswana are the same language. They are just called different languages for political reasons.

 

[losta]

So the assets and wealth people worked their entire lives for go to the government rather than their family????

Why should your family reap the rewards of YOUR work (or inherited assets)???

 

[noxibox]

It is not giving preference to one person over another based on sex or colour that is the problem, but rather the existence of quotas and no educational foundation to provide the people. Affirmative action itself is not inherently bad. It does not automatically mean just hiring someone because they're the right colour or sex.

Education would be the big win but that battle was lost a long time ago from redistributing spend, failed development projects of new schools and even integrating people from other communities. Slap on radical fraud and corruption for a decade and here we are..

Question is.. who is gonna pay for it? Basically they moving the cost from training and development (is it really a cost if you do the same regardless of color of person?) into tax? Yes?

At its core they basically saying the want to allow social mobility.. cool.. but a quick scan around the forum and you will see people whine incessantly about tax as much as anything. Hey I’m all for reducing inequality in society but I’m not sure people are willing to pay even heftier taxes. I’m guessing people gonna claim it’s a white tax lmfao.. But maybe I’m wrong..

The tax money is already being paid. That it isn't being used properly is the issue. Collecting more tax won't fix that problem. If anything it will probably make it worse.

I'm still against P.E. having marks past participation/improvement/effort.
Main point is that exercise is good and it breaks up sitting at a desk every day for a week.
How much exercise do a lot of people do now after school? As much as PE 2/3 times a week?

Children shouldn't be sitting at desks all day every day in the first place. But as stupid as that educational method is it is simple to implement, so better to stick with the stupid and simple rather than trying to revamp everything. As much as I'd like to see the current common educational methods die the death they deserve.

Just check the map. Home language education seems to bring prosperity. English education (outside the anglo world) is disastrous for the economy.

The majority of South America uses colonial languages. As does the US, Australia and Canada. In fact they're all an argument in favour of wiping out the many indigenous languages and replacing them with a single colonial language.

The research is clear that early education should be done in a child's home language. So given that we haven't managed to replace everyone's language South Africa needs sufficient primary schools for each language. That's not negotiable if the goal is successful early education. At the same time though those children should be learning English, so that by secondary school they're proficient and can be taught in English. It is not really sustainable to cater for every language in education.

 

[konfab]

Transfer assets to other people than your offspring

Expropriation AFTER death so to speak.

So if I shoot you, then take your cellphone, it is perfectly moral?

Milton Friedman destroyed this argument.

 

[losta]

The solution, has never been, is never and will never be to take from one to freely give to another. Even if we forget morality, it has never, ever, worked, ever.
...

redisrtribution of wealth DOES work.

Look at many european countries.

 

[Deadmanza]

Why should your family reap the rewards of YOUR work (or inherited assets)???

Why shouldn't they? Where MY assets and MY wealth goes when I pass should be MY choice, DUH.
You are not worth the effort it takes to type these responses, piss off.

 

[Neuk_]

Transfer assets to other people than your offspring

Expropriation AFTER death so to speak.

Yeah, that's a no from me, I will decide what happens with my assets after I am gone.

 

[Neuk_]

redisrtribution of wealth DOES work.

Look at many european countries.

Please enlighten us all with examples of where forcibly redistributing wealth works...

 

[unskinnybob]

Who do you redistribute to?

 

[losta]

The majority of South America uses colonial languages. As does the US, Australia and Canada. In fact they're all an argument in favour of wiping out the many indigenous languages and replacing them with a single colonial language.

No
The Americas educate in HOME language. Even 99% of the indians speak spanish, portuguese, dutch, french or english at home

That indigenous lingo was pretty much wiped out in colonial times and doesn't matter anymore.

In SA only 8% of the population speaks English at home, but 92% of education is in english medium.
Obviously this doen't work.

 

[DreamKing]

Transition of wealth in a country doesn't work of 1 person gives its assets away.

so we need a inheritance law

if you do not truly believe that is correct, how you motivate the other people to do the same with you?

to be a prime example, donate all of your assets NOW and share your lovely story and persuade other people to do the same.

don't be like this guy ....

Eloff also criticised Malema for enjoying “the best capitalism has to offer” when he has repeatedly condemned the capitalist system.

This is not the first time EFF members have been accused of hypocrisy. Earlier this year, some members were accused of living a lavish lifestyle behind the scenes when Daily Maverick published an article written by a journalist who had looked through rubbish allegedly thrown out by the party members.

Julius Malema claps back at man who posted snap of him in business class

A photo showing EFF leader Julius Malema sitting in business class on a flight has gone viral on social media.

www.timeslive.co.za

 

[Neuk_]

Why should your family reap the rewards of YOUR work (or inherited assets)???

Why shouldn't they? Why should anyone else? The onus is on you to prove that forcibly distributing wealth against ones wishes is a good idea and so far you have produced nothing.

 

[losta]

. It is not really sustainable to cater for every language in education.

why not?

The Swiss, Belgians, Fins, Malaysians etc are actually doing this.

There are models to be found that make sure that the majority of pupils in SA will be schooled in native lingo

 

[Neuk_]

It is not giving preference to one person over another based on sex or colour that is the problem, but rather the existence of quotas and no educational foundation to provide the people. Affirmative action itself is not inherently bad. It does not automatically mean just hiring someone because they're the right colour or sex.

Giving preference to or denying someone based on their gender, race, ethnicity, etc. is a fundamental problem in my view although I do understand there is a need to somehow uplift the previously disadvantaged.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Dafuq? You can get marks for PE now?

All I ever got for PT was a hiding.

 

[noxibox]

Why should your family reap the rewards of YOUR work (or inherited assets)???

It's the only reason I even have some of my assets. And if what little I have was going to be taken instead of going to my children I'd instead choose to cash out, use the money to move somewhere else and let my tax money go to a different government. That applies regardless of the country I'm living in. Hell I'd do it just to give the middle finger to the country I'm leaving.

Furthermore inheritance tax already exists and the threshold is set to a level that allows ordinary people to leave something for their children, but requires the genuinely wealthy to pay tax. That the genuinely wealthy find ways to cheat and avoid paying means that no matter what system you put in place they'll find some way to make sure it doesn't get taxed. Which frankly I don't understand. If had hundreds of millions I wouldn't even want it all going to my children. But all a 100% tax on inheritance would do is take money from those who aren't wealthy.

 

[konfab]

No
The Americas educate in HOME language. Even 99% of the indians speak spanish, portuguese, dutch, french or english at home

That indigenous lingo was pretty much wiped out in colonial times doesn't matter.

In SA only 8% of the population speaks English at home, but 92% of education is in english medium.
Obviously this doen't work.

This is because you can't program a computer in Zulu (or Afrikaans for that matter).
Knowing English gives access to a lot of the world's knowledge, knowledge that people in this country desperately need. You can either try and translate the entire anglophone world's knowledge content into 10 other languages, or you can teach people English

How about this, we get the government out of deciding what language people should speak and leave it up to the parents to choose what schools they send their kids to. If someone figures out how to do a science curriculum in Zulu and can sell it to parents, all the best to them?

 

[Willie Trombone]

I think many skilled white people would gladly be paid to mentor inexperienced black staff. I think roles just need to change and people need to be rewarded adequately for their skills otherwise they will go where they are appreciated. Who doesn't want to be appreciated? Simple really.

 

[losta]

If have a feeling that there are still many people around in the thread, that seriously believe that living in a country where WHITE people are having swimming pools and blacks are living in shacks will be a sustainable model

wake up boys!!