It’s not just BEE, race-based affirmative action must go too

[losta]

....But they definitely should be learning English during primary schooling and they should be speaking it as much as possible at school, especially if there aren't opportunities at home, because they should switch by secondary.
....

In most european countries link lingo like english (side subject) is on offer only from secondary.

After brexit the choice of link language might very well change btw

 

[Knyro]

The only indigenous languages in South Africa are the Khoisan languages. All other languages in South Africa either originated in Europe or in Central and Western Africa and came with the migration of their respective people.

Goalposts SCREEEEECHH when called out on dialects.

 

[losta]

And all of those languages are international languages so benefit anyone taking them. Even if you speak the most used SA language, tell us, where and how would you be able to use it?

Is Lithuanian an international language? Finnish?

 

[deweyzeph]

Goalposts SCREEEEECHH when called out on dialects.

Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele and Swazi people can communicate perfectly well with each other in their own "languages". They are all highly mutually intelligible with each other. There is a perfectly rational argument to be made to consolidate them into one language called "Nguni" instead of wasting resources trying to produce textbooks and other teaching material in each separate language when they are so close together. Likewise for the languages on the Sotho-Tswana continuum.

 

[noxibox]

The most prosperous country (9 million inhabitants, 21 % non-white) in the world has 4. Of which 3 are on offer in tertiary.

Note how those are all major European languages. That means they aren't even entirely dependent on their own country for educational resources. Yes, I know their versions of those languages are not exactly the same, but in general if you speak German you can make sense of Swiss German and vice versa. Switzerland isn't a great example. Nonetheless there's a vast difference between 3 and 11.

 

[noxibox]

Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele and Swazi people can communicate perfectly well with each other in their own "languages". They are all highly mutually intelligible with each other. There is a perfectly rational argument to be made to consolidate them into one language called "Nguni" instead of wasting resources trying to produce textbooks and other teaching material in each separate language when they are so close together. Likewise for the languages on the Sotho-Tswana continuum.

If that is the case then it would simplify the education problem significantly.

 

[Knyro]

Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele and Swazi people can communicate perfectly well with each other in their own "languages". They are all highly mutually intelligible with each other. There is a perfectly rational argument to be made to consolidate them into one language called "Nguni" instead of wasting resources trying to produce textbooks and other teaching material in each separate language when they are so close together. Likewise for the languages on the Sotho-Tswana continuum.

/yawn

Before we continue please tell us which of the above languages you speak.

 

[losta]

Show me an example of a poor country that is trying to provide primary education for 11 different languages and succeeding. ....

South Africa could have been that example. Moreover, it should have been.

I came up with the example of Lithuania because this was a POOR country with a smallish lingo (only spoken in 1 country). But there's many more countries around with local lingo that have few speakers but where mother tongue education was key to move up the prosperity ladder.

the big trouble with forcing English on 92% of the non-english SA population is the inevitavble subtext of "your language is nog good enough for education"

Devastating for self-esteem

and it shows...every day

 

[surface]

In reality Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele and Swati are just dialects of the same language. Likewise Sotho and Tswana are the same language. They are just called different languages for political reasons.

This is new to me although I am not speaker of any of these languages. By language, do you mean language family and by dialect, do you mean language perhaps?

 

[SaiyanZ]

South Africa could have been that example. Moreover, it should have been.

I came up with the example of Lithuania because this was a POOR country with a smallish lingo (only spoken in 1 country). But there's many more countries around with local lingo that have few speakers but where mother tongue education was key to move up the prosperity ladder.

the big trouble with forcing English on 92% of the non-english SA population is the inevitavble subtext of "your language is nog good enough for education"

Devastating for self-esteem

and it shows...every day

It's very possible that there are not enough words in a language to describe things properly. In biology and medicine for example every little thing has it's own name and definition. You would need to invent a lot of new words or default to English for many many things.

 

[GoB]

If have a feeling that there are still many people around in the thread, that seriously believe that living in a country where WHITE people are having swimming pools and blacks are living in shacks will be a sustainable model

I wasn't born with a swimming pool, I worked for it.

I wouldn't mind a very steep inheritance tax (99% ?)

You're trolling, but this is what would happen - if no loopholes.

Loads of invested wealth would be lost, and foreign investment would be almost entirely removed.

Property prices would drop immediately and maybe some property would become available through defaulting. (since selling is pointless)

Most owners though, would become landlords if they needed to relocate (since selling is pointless), or be unable to afford relocating.

Building would cost more than buying, but with no one selling (pointless), it would be up to individuals to construct their own homes using their own cash. (shacks)

People who able to, would emigrate.

Why should your family reap the rewards of YOUR work (or inherited assets)???

People have treated their families better than strangers since the dawn of time.

Inheritance tax would change nothing.

People would just not save, and instead ensure that they own nothing but a pension fund by giving income to their family over time.

 

[Knyro]

Why should your family reap the rewards of YOUR work (or inherited assets)???

Because I want them to.

If you don't want your family to inherit your assets you could always give them to the government or charity upon your death.

 

[losta]

It's very possible that there are not enough words in a language to describe things properly. In biology and medicine for example every little thing has it's own name and definition. You would need to invent a lot of new words or default to English for many many things.

Thats exactly what's happening in languages. Nothing wrong with loan words.

 

[SaiyanZ]

Thats exactly what's happening in languages. Nothing wrong with loan words.

Seems fine except when two doctors are treating a patient and neither knows what the other is talking about because they studied in different languages.

 

[Okty]

Because I want them to.

If you don't want your family to inherit your assets you could always give them to the government or charity upon your death.

Indeed, that is how it should be: your choice with your money that you worked for (lets assume everything legit )

However, if you look at post #60, you can see his true intent with this, basically you non-light skin guys will probably be exempt from this.

 

[losta]

Seems fine except when two doctors are treating a patient and neither knows what the other is talking about because they studied in different languages.

That's where you start to use a link language.

Happens everywhere in the world.

 

[losta]

Indeed, that is how it should be: your choice with your money that you worked for

as long as you live...yep I agree

But why should we spoil out kids AFTER we die with all that money is beyond me.

 

[SaiyanZ]

That's where you start to use a link language.

Happens everywhere in the world.

It doesn't always work out well. You're here typing in English for example but most people's replies are flying straight over your head.

 

[Neuk_]

as long as you live...yep I agree

But why should we spoil out kids AFTER we die with all that money is beyond me.

So, rather than leaving what you worked for to your blood relatives you want it left to a random person?

 

[Deadmanza]

as long as you live...yep I agree

But why should we spoil out kids AFTER we die with all that money is beyond me.

You are dumb.