It is about damned time medicine catches up with Cancer!!!

antowan

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I have a cousin who is severely ill with brain cancer. I am struggling to deal with it. I cannot understand why medicine is finding it so hard to find an ultimate and final cure to this disease??!!?

You see so many people including many celebrities suffering from this disease. What will it take to bring it down?
 

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Curing cancer would be hardly as profitable as treating it, unfortunately...
 

antowan

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My gran's sister is also terribly ill with cancer. I am hoping nobody is sitting on cures for illnesses like these. If it were to come to light there would be all kinds of hell to pay...
 

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Curing it is problematic from a balance sheet point of view.... but even the treatments they have are not great...

Cancer is not a single type of disease unfortunately... there are lots and lots of different types which I spose makes it v v difficult to cure or treat properly.
 

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there's much more to it the what you think... and wouldn't having a cure for cancer be better? I mean, if you made a drug that effectively killed off the cancer when it started appearing then you could make heaps of cash. but the thing is we don't know what it is that actually makes a normal cell go ape shyte and divide with no control, hell we don't even know what makes a cells decide to divide when you cut your self, of when tissue gets old.

The current treatments just try and stop the cells dividing like made (chemotherapy) or to kill off weaker cells(which cancer cells are, they very simple and are rather weak, and they use radio waves to damage the weak cells). we still don't know much about cancer, we can just do some treatments and hope it works...
 

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how do you stop a cell from dividing and the DNA from going upside down?

We can just barely split the atom properly... though we can't put it back together...
 

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Ja, I would love to see a cure.

My father and grand mother are both dying of cancer (lung and stomach respectively).

It really is horrible watching loved ones suffer.
 

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I have a cousin who is severely ill with brain cancer. I am struggling to deal with it. I cannot understand why medicine is finding it so hard to find an ultimate and final cure to this disease??!!?

You see so many people including many celebrities suffering from this disease. What will it take to bring it down?

The reason for this is that the concept of 'cancer' in the mind of lay people is incorrect. There is no single cancer. Each cancer is unique. It foremost depends on the type of cell, then on the mechanism the cancer started - some cancers in some cells start in a similar or even the same way, others start differently in the same cell type. Cancers can be inherited by a mutation which knocks out the anti-cancer genes in the cell or they can start de novo (anew).
Even one mutation is usually not enough, you need a multitude of events to combine to cause loss of cell growth control which ultimately causes the cell line to overgrow the other cells, break through surrounding tissues and break off and travel via blood or lymph to other remote sites and start to grow there. These cells can then mutate further. For some cancers causes have been found - eg a particular virus which incorporates it's DNA into the cell and so switches off the anti-cancer protection or stimulates increased growth via secondary means. It can be via chemicals - eg asbestos, or radiation both UV (sun) and ionizing (nuclear bomb). It can be via physical force. It can be via products of organisms. Reduced immunity for example someone who is on immunosuppressants can have increased risk of some cancers. People with HIV have increased risk of numerous cancers through direct HIV or indirect reduced immunity.

Anyhow cancers are complex and the problem is that there are so many types and while some have cures - some cures are as simple as enough Vitamin A others are just too difficult to decipher at this stage.

For example in the brain there are a variety of cells. There can therefore be a variety of tumours. There are also tumour subtypes and different grades of tumours from least aggressive to most aggressive. The brain is additionally tricky because location is more important in the brain then elsewhere because some tumours may be cut away, others partially while others not at all. If that's the case the whole brain radiation, localised radiation or chemotherapy are possible but most tumours respond poorly to that.

The key is avoidance of known risks (eg avoidance of smoking or avoidance or smoked foods to avoid stomach cancer or avoidance of carbon-chloride molecules to avoid bladder cancer), follow up if there is family history of inheritable cancers (eg some types of colon cancer, breast cancer) and early detection ie not leaving symptoms which in the beginning are usually very ubiquitous to the last moment. If something seems strange (atypical) and persists have it checked out. In some parts of the world where certain cancers are very prevalent screening programs are rigorously adhered to - eg in Japan they do gastroscopies after a certain age because of the high risk of stomach cancer. This is all avoidance or early detection as once many of these cancers get out of control there is often very little which can be done.
 

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I understand the difficulty with different types of cancer. The progress none the less just seems out of whack with the time period that has passed. Something amazing should have happened by now IMO.
 

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Most of the money goes towards aids and TB, therefore there is not sufficient for cancer research.
 

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Most of the money goes towards aids and TB, therefore there is not sufficient for cancer research.

While a substantial amount of money goes towards AIDS (grants from foundations such as Bill and Melinda Gates, PEPFAR, UN, EU, WHO, pharma companies, US NIH, etc) very little goes for TB research. TB is not seen as a major issue in the 1st World - the AIDS pandemic has increased it's significance in the Developed World but reduced infection rates in the 1st World due to behavioral factors and increased access to most modern treatment means that
HIV is declining there and so is TB. TB is still important among newly arrived immigrants, the very poor, drug abusers and those in institutions but the
treatments currently available for run of the mill TB work very well in the 1st world where adherence can be monitored - skipping doses is a serious reason why AIDS and TB treatments fail in the first place.
 

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I have to say that considering the amount of time and money that has gone into cancer, I also cannot understand why nothing significant has been discovered yet.
 

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Curing cancer would be hardly as profitable as treating it, unfortunately...


This is true i believe much like the amount of money given to AIDS research far out weighs the benefit of releasing a cure.

You have 2 problems as i see it:

1. the human race is a greedy and worries more about money than life, now lets say they actually cannot find a cure for aids or cancer or any terminal disease and they are not BS us so they can make trillions then number 2 would be the 2nd problem.

2. Mother nature, humans have no known enemy but ourselves so if you eliminate all terminal diseases the world would over-populate, people need to die in order for people to live and while cancer and all these terminal diseases are hard on people, its life i am afraid. We all know we will die, we all know our friends and family will die.
 

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Sorry to hear Antowan.

My oldman is suffering from a lymph node cancer, just finished a series of chemo treatments.
 

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It is possible, but we could only do so through a eugenics and responsible paranting scheme. We need to turn the tide, and we need to do so in a manner which is not only accurate and objective but also completely ethical, weighs roughly equally on different people.

Dude, I hope you know the connectations that Eugenics has in the modern world... It's not something to be in support of.

Eugenics is not the solution. The human race is not a cattle breed that you influence externally to breed out bad traits.

The only way to get the world out of a overpopulation scenario is to increase the economic prospects of the poorest of the poor by education and nutrition. If the great unwashed masses were given the same education, nutrition and government support that the first world countries citizens are afforded then you would quickly see an improvement.

Look at zimbabwe. In the 90's it was a Middle class mainly country of cricket loving people. Goverment crumbled/went crazy and were now in a situation were the education/nutrition part of the equation is going whack leading a lot of ppl to immigrate if they can and leave the country that they grew up in.

But yeah, just mho.
 

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Well they recently genetically modified a new baby to have the breast cancer gene removed.
I think in the end, it will come down to genetic engineering the cancer gene out of humans.
Maybe tinkering with the genetic coding.
 
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