It's just a Roman salute, says school in 'Nazi' matric photograph furore

[MirageF1]

Oh, you thought I would agree, did you?

Hey, you taken your anti psychotics tonight?
Run, go take them, you sounding real fractured

 

[Gingerbeardman]

It's fact actually, you cannot NOT agree

Judgements of rightness or wrongness are human value judgements. There's no fact of the matter about them.

 

[STS]

Judgements of rightness or wrongness are human value judgements. There's no fact of the matter about them.

That is true, but the acts of violence and spreading of false information remain facts. Jews did nothing wrong, they were simply made a target as they were seen as outsiders and obstacles on the path to nationalism. Hitler took advantage of innocents to spread his propaganda

 

[MirageF1]

Judgements of rightness or wrongness are human value judgements. There's no fact of the matter about them.

So you passed Nietzsche 101.
Get with the real world maybe and away from philosophical mental masturbation.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

So you passed Nietzsche 101.
Get with the real world maybe and away from philosophical mental masturbation.

Actually, the fact/value distinction predates Nietzsche and finds its first proper articulation in David Hume. "Reason is and ought only to be slave to the passions, and can never pretend to any other office but to serve and obey them."

Or actually, I should probably jump on Nietzsche's perspectivism for the sake of avoiding the enlightenment label. What do you think?

 

[access]

I am confused?

its obvious.

You bother me with a dumb question

you have made it clear you have something against white, now it seems nationalism. so i wondered if in your world all nationalism is white. the question is in line with the statement it originated from. if you think its stupid, well then.. ...lol

say you enjoy dumb people

now you are twisting things and calling yourself dumb in the process. you asked if i enjoy asking stupid questions, i replied only to stupid people.

don't want to talk to your own parents

i love my parents, best of both worlds(left & right). i think my parents would make you cry.

 

[MirageF1]

Actually, the fact/value distinction predates Nietzsche and finds its first proper articulation in David Hume. "Reason is and ought only to be slave to the passions, and can never pretend to any other office but to serve and obey them."

Or actually, I should probably jump on Nietzsche's perspectivism for the sake of avoiding the enlightenment label. What do you think?

I fell asleep during Locke, Berkeley, Hume lectures at UCT in the 80s (on the way tomy B.Sc Math/Applied Math)...piss bored actually

Never was much good at self mental onanism like yourself.
Keep it real.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Hahaha I would pay to watch Survivor - SJW edition.

I can only imagine all the manbuns trying to catch a fish or start a fire.

edit: dear god why did I use the word imagination lmao.

Stuff that. Put this crowd on an island, post an article - any article, point them at it. Would make Survivor seem tame, or give the word a new meaning.

 

[RonSwanson]

I fell asleep during Locke, Berkeley, Hume lectures at UCT in the 80s (on the way tomy B.Sc Math/Applied Math)...piss bored actually

Never was much good at self mental onanism like yourself.
Keep it real.

You missed nothing. Nietzsche was a poose.

 

[MirageF1]

You missed nothing. Nietzsche was a poose.

When you've read one modern opium/coke fueled philo you've read them all!

Bring back the real oldies

 

[Gingerbeardman]

I fell asleep during Locke, Berkeley, Hume lectures at UCT in the 80s (on the way tomy B.Sc Math/Applied Math)...piss bored actually

Never was much good at self mental onanism like yourself.
Keep it real.

Well have 2 points for knowing how to throw shade at Nietzschean thinking anyway.

 

[buka001]

I fell asleep during Locke, Berkeley, Hume lectures at UCT in the 80s (on the way tomy B.Sc Math/Applied Math)...piss bored actually

Never was much good at self mental onanism like yourself.
Keep it real.

I never even sat through a philosophy lecture. Engineering. Touch feel see.

Although I was very jealous of the female to male ratios they had in their classes.

We had 3:36

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Sure I guess most masturbators like Gingy where there for that exact reason.
I did the half semester course as a filler (which I proudly failed as a No Show at exams)...hell 3 years of Math, Stats, Physics and Applied Math can make you dilly.

A deprecatory word here against the attempts, that have lately been made, to find the origin of justice on quite another basis—namely, on that of resentment. Let me whisper a word in the ear of the psychologists, if they would fain study revenge itself at close quarters: this plant blooms its prettiest at present among Anarchists and anti-Semites, a hidden flower, as it has ever been, like the violet, though, forsooth, with another perfume. And as like must necessarily emanate from like, it will not be a matter for surprise that it is just in such circles that we see the birth of endeavours (it is their old birthplace—compare above, First Essay, paragraph 14), to sanctify revenge under the name of justice (as though Justice were at bottom merely a development of the consciousness of injury), and thus with the rehabilitation of revenge to reinstate generally and collectively all the reactive emotions. I object to this last point least of all. It even seems meritorious when regarded from the standpoint of the whole problem of biology (from which standpoint the value of these emotions has up to the present been underestimated). And that to which I alone call attention, is the circumstance that it is the spirit of revenge itself, from which develops this new nuance of scientific equity (for the benefit of hate, envy, mistrust, jealousy, suspicion, rancour, revenge). This scientific 'equity' stops immediately and makes way for the accents of deadly enmity and prejudice, so soon as another group of emotions comes on the scene, which in my opinion are of a much higher biological value than these reactions, and consequently have a paramount claim to the valuation and appreciation of science: I mean the really active emotions, such as personal and material ambition, and so forth. (E. Dühring, Value of Life; Course of Philosophy, and passim.) So much against this tendency in general: but as for the particular maxim of Dühring's, that the home of Justice is to be found in the sphere of the reactive feelings, our love of truth compels us drastically to invert his own proposition and to oppose to him this other maxim: the last sphere conquered by the spirit of justice is the sphere of the feeling of reaction! When it really comes about that the just man remains just even as regards his injurer (and not merely cold, moderate, reserved, indifferent: being just is always a positive state); when, in spite of the strong provocation of personal insult, contempt, and calumny, the lofty and clear objectivity of the just and judging eye (whose glance is as profound as it is gentle) is untroubled, why then we have a piece of perfection, a past master of the world—something, in fact, which it would not be wise to expect, and which should not at any rate be too easily believed. Speaking generally, there is no doubt but that even the justest individual only requires a little dose of hostility, malice, or innuendo to drive the blood into his brain and the fairness from it. The active man, the attacking, aggressive man is always a hundred degrees nearer to justice than the man who merely reacts; he certainly has no need to adopt the tactics, necessary in the case of the reacting man, of making false and biassed valuations of his object. It is, in point of fact, for this reason that the aggressive man has at all times enjoyed the stronger, bolder, more aristocratic, and also freer outlook, the better conscience. On the other hand, we already surmise who it really is that has on his conscience the invention of the 'bad conscience,'—the resentful man! Finally, let man look at himself in history. In what sphere up to the present has the whole administration of law, the actual need of law, found its earthly home? Perchance in the sphere of the reacting man? Not for a minute: rather in that of the active, strong, spontaneous, aggressive man? I deliberately defy the above-mentioned agitator (who himself makes this self-confession, 'the creed of revenge has run through all my works and endeavours like the red thread of Justice'), and say, that judged historically law in the world represents the very war against the reactive feelings, the very war waged on those feelings by the powers of activity and aggression, which devote some of their strength to damming and keeping within bounds this effervescence of hysterical reactivity, and to forcing it to some compromise. Everywhere where justice is practised and justice is maintained, it is to be observed that the stronger power, when confronted with the weaker powers which are inferior to it (whether they be groups, or individuals), searches for weapons to put an end to the senseless fury of resentment, while it carries on its object, partly by taking the victim of resentment out of the clutches of revenge, partly by substituting for revenge a campaign of its own against the enemies of peace and order, partly by finding, suggesting, and occasionally enforcing settlements, partly by standardising certain equivalents for injuries, to which equivalents the element of resentment is henceforth finally referred. The most drastic measure, however, taken and effectuated by the supreme power, to combat the preponderance of the feelings of spite and vindictiveness—it takes this measure as soon as it is at all strong enough to do so—is the foundation of law, the imperative declaration of what in its eyes is to be regarded as just and lawful, and what unjust and unlawful: and while, after the foundation of law, the supreme power treats the aggressive and arbitrary acts of individuals, or of whole groups, as a violation of law, and a revolt against itself, it distracts the feelings of its subjects from the immediate injury inflicted by such a violation, and thus eventually attains the very opposite result to that always desired by revenge, which sees and recognises nothing but the standpoint of the injured party. From henceforth the eye becomes trained to a more and more impersonal valuation of the deed, even the eye of the injured party himself (though this is in the final stage of all, as has been previously remarked)—on this principle 'right' and 'wrong' first manifest themselves after the foundation of law (and not, as Dühring maintains, only after the act of violation). To talk of intrinsic right and intrinsic wrong is absolutely non-sensical; intrinsically, an injury, an oppression, an exploitation, an annihilation can be nothing wrong, inasmuch as life is essentially (that is, in its cardinal functions) something which functions by injuring, oppressing, exploiting, and annihilating, and is absolutely inconceivable without such a character. It is necessary to make an even more serious confession:—viewed from the most advanced biological standpoint, conditions of legality can be only exceptional conditions, in that they are partial restrictions of the real life-will, which makes for power, and in that they are subordinated to the life-will's general end as particular means, that is, as means to create larger units of strength. A legal organisation, conceived of as sovereign and universal, not as a weapon in a fight of complexes of power, but as a weapon against fighting, generally something after the style of Dühring's communistic model of treating every will as equal with every other will, would be a principle hostile to life, a destroyer and dissolver of man, an outrage on the future of man, a symptom of fatigue, a secret cut to Nothingness.—

Smug about nothing indeed.

 

[MirageF1]

~ Norman Finkelstein, Jewish son of Holocaust survivors.
Hilariously labelled an anti-Semite by some.

Dafuq!
Insanity is not race limited,

What's your pathetic point anyway...you have none. As usual.
Picking at straws.

 

[Kosmik]

Ave Ceaser, we who are about to die, salute you. Seems appropiate for young blood about to go out into the world looking for jobs.

 

[Techne]

Dafuq!
Insanity is not race limited,

What's your pathetic point anyway...you have none. As usual.
Picking at straws.

Emotions do tend to flare up when reality meets a propgandized mind.

 

[Moosedrool]

As a German citizen, it hurts my heart seeing how poorly educated some kids are on that matter.

They're probably more educated on this "matter" that you are. Apart from the constant bull shyte sociology fuelled political correctness rubbish getting forced down children's throats they'll all probably do way better in a WW2 history exam than someone who's life revolves around getting offended.

 

[MirageF1]

Emotions do tend to flare up when reality meets a propgandized mind.

Talking about yourself.
You are a dictionary definition of the brainwashed propagandist.

 

[rietrot]

we must have serious talks with the traitor Elsa Lila

who said: “As a German citizen, it hurts my heart seeing how poorly educated some kids are on that matter. Schools should do better. Everywhere. You’re insulting and disrespecting millions and millions of innocent people who have been murdered by a brutal, cold and soulless regime.”

Strangely enough I don't think they care.

 

[rietrot]

And also, let's be honest, anybody falling for the spin that the kids were saluting in a Roman fashion is either in absolute denial or a complete idiot. When last have you seen kids trying to emulate ancient Romans?

Well half our culture and language come from the romans, you are emutating them each day.