Ivermectin and Covid-19: SA drug regulator allows controlled, compassionate access

Geoff.D

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The patient experience of Ivermectin​



According to Dr. Jackie Stone, Covid-19 has just about disappeared in Zimbabwe. She is now getting 1 or 2 calls a week, compared to +20 an hour (including texts) during the second wave.
A really good series of videos ( I prefer to read the synopsis available on the site instead) of the real-life use of IVM to treat patients with Covid 19.

There is absolutely no question in my mind anymore of what I will do if I am so unfortunate to contract Covid 19.
I wonder when we are going to see any comments and results from the doctors in SA who are now using IVM for the treatment of their patients?
 

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I wonder when we are going to see any comments and results from the doctors in SA who are now using IVM for the treatment of their patients?
Admitted a patient with Covid Pneumonia 2 nights ago. Was taking, Azithromycin, Ecotrin, Ivermectin.
 

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There is absolutely no question in my mind anymore of what I will do if I am so unfortunate to contract Covid 19.
I wonder when we are going to see any comments and results from the doctors in SA who are now using IVM for the treatment of their patients?

I fully agree. Unfortunately my guess is that you would not find many doctors willing to treat with IVM, since most are reluctant to deviate from the official guidelines. SAHPRA still does not recommend the use of IVM for the treatment of Covid-19.

This is mostly due to the high increase in litigation against doctors over the past few years, where some population groups now use medical conditions as an excuse to make extra money by suing doctors left, right, and centre for the slightest complication or pain and suffering with treatment. They are being aided by an otherwise jobless team of lawyers. As an example, all doctors in the rural town where I live, now have notices posted that they don't do any pregnancy or child-birth delivery consultations or treatments. Their insurance premiums just makes it non-viable otherwise.
 

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Admitted a patient with Covid Pneumonia 2 nights ago. Was taking, Azithromycin, Ecotrin, Ivermectin.
Self medicating? Or under the guidance of a doctor?
That remains the key here.
And your treatment will be the current standard?
The antibiotic implies it was prescribed by a doctor?
Are antibiotics used to treat Covid Pneumonia effective? How so when we have been told antibiotics dont work against Covid?
The Ecotrin was also highly likely prescribed by a doctor.
The IVM dosage? From all the info available, IVM works if the dosage is right but NOT if the dosage used to treat parasites was used.
In Afrikaans we would refer to your post as " 'n klip in die bos", because it is done to attract a reponse but really has no substance. And, therefore it is just there to incite.
 
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I like how she aggressively increases the IVM doses, up to 6 times the normal dose, if the patient does not quickly respond to the treatment (insufficient IVM in the body to successfully coat all the viral particles due to high viral load).

It is important to stop the damage done by the virus as quickly as possible. I know a guy who recovered from Covid-19 last year, but is now carrying around an oxygen cylinder due to excessive damage to his lungs.
 

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A really good series of videos ( I prefer to read the synopsis available on the site instead) of the real-life use of IVM to treat patients with Covid 19.

There is absolutely no question in my mind anymore of what I will do if I am so unfortunate to contract Covid 19.
I wonder when we are going to see any comments and results from the doctors in SA who are now using IVM for the treatment of their patients?
It is truly a pity that you don't watch videos, you are missing out.
 

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A really good series of videos ( I prefer to read the synopsis available on the site instead) of the real-life use of IVM to treat patients with Covid 19.

There is absolutely no question in my mind anymore of what I will do if I am so unfortunate to contract Covid 19.
I wonder when we are going to see any comments and results from the doctors in SA who are now using IVM for the treatment of their patients?
I suspect that those who are, or who are considering it, would be far too afraid to speak out. The political climate around the use of Ivermectin is still far too polarised, and the very real risk of being labelled a "cowboy" by SAHPRA and a captured media, coupled with unlimited funding from vaccine producers, is far too high.
 

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I like how she aggressively increases the IVM doses, up to 6 times the normal dose, if the patient does not quickly respond to the treatment (insufficient IVM in the body to successfully coat all the viral particles due to high viral load).

It is important to stop the damage done by the virus as quickly as possible. I know a guy who recovered from Covid-19 last year, but is now carrying around an oxygen cylinder due to excessive damage to his lungs.
Yup.
The "IVM does not work, band", relies on badly set up trials, and underdosing and then claims, "You see, we told you it does not work". And they use the "safety concerns" as an excuse and screen to hide behind. And they confuse the dosage used for treating parasites believing that those are the " safe dosages". When in fact those dosages are suitable for treating parasites.

It is unbelievable ridiculous how the entire system can gang up to deny many people the chance of life because of their own selfish reasons whether these are financial or just stupid pig-headedness.

I don't know what the right medical terminology is so the following is my understanding of how medicines should be used:

1. Choose the right medicine for the disease being treated. This is also established by trials.
2. Administer the dosage, that has been determined by trials for treating the disease. These are generally the lowest possible effective dosages, and there are probably a band of dosages for mild to severe infections.
3. Each disease or ailment will have its own dosages determine by trials for medicines that can be used for multiple ailments.
4. There is a "safe dosage" for all medicines. That dosage level is one that does not cause any complications.
5. There is a "toxic" dosage level that causes permanent damage and even death.
6. Doctors are able to determine the risks of over-dosing a patient for a short while without causing permanent damage. - If this is not the case, then please explain to me how chemo-therapy works, where people are given very powerful medication under the control of specialists.

Now in the case of IVM, the toxic and safe levels are extremely high, way higher than those being used to treat for Covid.
Those dosages are higher than those used to treat parasites.
There are NO trials as to what the dosages are, so currently, that is being determined by trial and error by some doctors. It is the doctor's job to see to it that the dosages are controlled.
 
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It is unbelievable ridiculous how the entire system can gang up to deny many people the chance of life because of their own selfish reasons whether these are financial or just stupid pig-headedness.

I fully agree.

What is even more frightening, is the amount of censorship and spreading of disinformation going on in social and mass media platforms as well as "Debunking" and "Fact Find" websites. Doctors cannot even share or discuss their own experiences with different treatments without getting their posts or channels disabled.

It is as if there is some Dark Force working in the background, who continually blocks all positive IVM publications or posts, and only promote negative IVM posts or articles. They will decide what the public may hear, see and read, and believe to be true due to their forced propaganda and indoctrination. I wonder what their hidden agenda has in mind for us ordinary citizens of this world. This does not look good at all.
 

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Now in the case of IVM, the toxic and safe levels are extremely high, way higher than those being used to treat for Covid.
Those dosages are higher than those used to treat parasites.
There are NO rials as to what the dosages are, so currently, that is being determined by trial and error by some doctors. It is the doctor's job to see to it that the dosages are controlled.
I think that by now we can safely assume that we will not see any further IVM trials, sponsored by big pharma or government agencies, except with the clear objective to discredit the use of IVM, like the Colombia trial published in the Jama journal. This trial turned out to be the laughingstock of the scientific community, with the control group issued with bottles of sweet diluted sugar water, when everybody knows that an IVM solution is bitter tasting. Some members of the control group was for some period in the trial also issued with IVM. In the end the trial proved effectively nothing. Two groups of healthy young individuals, with mild symptoms, recover quickly anyway.

What is of great concern, is the amount of publication that this single trial received in the mass media, advocating that IVM shows no benefit, while there was a deadly silence on the great benefit of IVM shown in the many other trials.

I found the following in the comments of an article:


Everyone seems to focus on the fact that the pharmaceutical industry has an incentive to eliminate cheap generic competition to their expensive new patentable therapeutics. That is correct, but it is the least of your worries. Journalists do NOT usually get in bed with pharmaceutical companies; the media usually attacks these companies for charging too much, making too much profit. There are much more powerful forces arrayed against you.

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Background references have been found linking the military to Operation Warp Speed. This relationship has stifled distribution of Ivermectin, because it interferes with the planned research and tracking…


Some questions about ”why” ivermectin and other medications (see this link)

https://onedaymd.aestheticsadvisor.com/2020/04/immune-nutrients-to-calm-cytokine-storm.html?m=1

to slow or stop COVID-19 have been ignored, were presented on your website by others.

Also, the questions about whether viruses are grown in labs…

 The clues to the answer are here:

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“…What is required now are breakthroughs in three other technology areas to bridge those past DARPA achievements and overcome the remaining bottlenecks that hinder rapid response to pandemic threats. The P3 program will pursue innovations in those three areas:

Growing virus needed to support evaluation of therapies in laboratory tests;

Subjecting antibodies to rapid rounds of evolution outside of the body to increase their potency beyond that of even the most effective antibodies obtained from infected patients; and

Developing means of efficiently delivering nucleic-acid-based protective treatments, since the technologies used to administer conventional vaccines do not readily translate.

Achieving and integrating breakthroughs in all of these areas will require choreographed cooperation among researchers and engineers specializing in such areas as immunology, microbiology, virology, medical infectious diseases, molecular biology, and medical countermeasure product development and manufacturing.

DARPA-funded teams will be required to demonstrate their integrated platforms in five simulations during the planned four-year program; they will initially test their platforms using pathogens of their choice, but ultimately they will test using DARPA-selected pathogens[…]”
 

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It is as if there is some Dark Force working in the background, who continually blocks all positive IVM publications or posts, and only promote negative IVM posts or articles. They will decide what the public may hear, see and read, and believe to be true due to their forced propaganda and indoctrination. I wonder what their hidden agenda has in mind for us ordinary citizens of this world. This does not look good at all.
Have you ventured into the straight-up craziness of the SAHARI Telegram group? Everyone is a conspiracy theorist in there.
 

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Have you ventured into the straight-up craziness of the SAHARI Telegram group? Everyone is a conspiracy theorist in there.
No, this is the first time I hear of such a group. I don't use Telegram.

I am speaking about my own experience, having watched the media closely over the past few months, and seeing articles/posts/videos magically disappear.
 

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Have you ventured into the straight-up craziness of the SAHARI Telegram group? Everyone is a conspiracy theorist in there.
Welcome to the world of social media.

This is where people get brainwashed into becoming Qcrazies and so on.
 

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It is as if there is some Dark Force working in the background, who continually blocks all positive IVM publications or posts, and only promote negative IVM posts or articles. They will decide what the public may hear, see and read, and believe to be true due to their forced propaganda and indoctrination. I wonder what their hidden agenda has in mind for us ordinary citizens of this world. This does not look good at all.
Follow the money.
 

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Good discussion.

The recommended IVM dosages will change as follows:

Prophylaxis: Long term 0.2 mg/kg body mass weekly, instead of the previous bi-weekly. Apparently there were a few persons on the bi-weekly interval who contracted Covid-19.

Early Covid-19 Treatment (Mild symptoms): 0.2 - 0.4 mg/kg daily for 2-5 days.
Hospitalised Covid-19 Treatment (Serious Symptoms): 0.4 - 0.6 mg /kg daily until recovered.
Improvements in recovery times with increased doses were noted in India, Zimbabwe and the USA over the past few months.

The current surge in negative propaganda and deliberate disinformation tactics targeting IVM usage was also discussed, as well as the effectiveness of IVM against other viruses.

Edit1: It was noted that IVM had an excellent beneficial effect for the treatment of Long Covid.
Edit2: Corrected dose annotations that were incorrectly stated as g/kg instead of mg/kg.
 
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Good discussion.

The recommended IVM dosages will change as follows:

Prophylaxis: Long term 0.2 g/kg body mass weekly, instead of the previous bi-weekly. Apparently there were a few persons on the old frequency who contracted Covid-19.

Early Covid-19 Treatment (Mild symptoms): 0.2 - 0.4 g/kg daily for 2-5 days.
Hospitalised Covid-19 Treatment (Serious Symptoms): 0.4 - 0.6 g /kg daily until recovered.
Improvements in recovery times with increased doses were noted in India, Zimbabwe and the USA over the past few months.

The current surge in negative propaganda and deliberate disinformation tactics targeting IVM usage was also discussed, as well as the effectiveness of IVM against other viruses.

Edit: It was noted that IVM had an excellent beneficial effect for the treatment of Long Covid.
Please confirm the values as being x grams /kg.
This is just for the benefit of those believing the x mg/kg figures and insisting that those are the "safe" values.
 
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Please confirm the vales as being x grams /kg.
This is just for the benefit of those believing the x mg/kg figures and insisting that those are the "safe" values.
Sorry, those were huge typos.
Should have been milligrams per kilogram of body mass (mg / kg).
Haha, they would have to use several boxes for one dose!!
 

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‘Ivermectin to all above 18’: Goa approves new COVID-19 treatment protocol​

The Health Minister emphasized that the regimen includes 12mg of ivermectin for a period of five days as the Indians here in the western coastal state are basing their protocol on expert panels from UK, Italy, Spain, and Japan who purportedly “…found a large, statistically significant reduction in mortality, time to recovery and viral clearance in COVID-19 patients treated with Ivermectin.”
 

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TrialSite recommends that those interested in repurposed, generic approaches to addressing at least early onset, mild to moderate COVID-19 consider reading this important meta-analysis.

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The journal, worth a read:
 
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