Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[DA-LION-619]

@buka001

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1373299677794291712

Do you know why the belief in global warming does down as scientific intelligence increases? It's because as the scientific awareness goes up, people become aware that the science has become politicised.

And you are the primary vector of that kind of BS.

So for all your whining about people being anti-science, nothing they could do in a lifetime comes anywhere close to the damage you do to the reputation of science in a single day, because once people become aware that the science has been politicised, that's it, the trust is never coming back.

So good job, Mr Science Guy.

Thanks Lizzy. Isn’t the term climate change?

 

[JangoFett]

Thanks Lizzy. Isn’t the term climate change?

Edited. Happy now?

 

[buka001]

Irrelevant.


Changing the topic in no way detracts from your dishonesty and your refusal to acknowledge mistakes that you make. Other people making mistakes (not that I'm even convinced that happened because the words of proven liars aren't to be taken at face value) in no way detracts from the crap you spewed elsewhere.


What it shows is that you're incapable of admitting fault. Which is kind of ironic from someone who claims to be a proponent of "science".

Take your religious zealotry somewhere else.

Glorious how you are now supporting my point that Peer reviewed studies with RCT data is what we need to use to make assessments about the efficacy of treatments and not the ramblings of people on the internet.

Geoff has been going on and on about this magic concentration level.

It proves one cannot listen to the advice of the non-experts, as actual experts appear to have achieved positive results at a completely lower level.

What are the effects of dosing people at Geoffs level? Geoff is refusing to acknowledge that he has been offering this advice on dosage and also preventative dosage, which is what he has been repeatedly called out for.

You just have your panties in a bunch and are trying to conflate my post about irony, with a completely separate line of argument.

 

[buka001]

@buka001

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1373299677794291712

Do you know why the belief in anthropogenic climate change does down as scientific intelligence increases? It's because as the scientific awareness goes up, people become aware that the science has become politicised.

And you are the primary vector of that kind of BS.

So for all your whining about people being anti-science, nothing they could do in a lifetime comes anywhere close to the damage you do to the reputation of science in a single day, because once people become aware that the science has been politicised, that's it, the trust is never coming back.

So good job, Mr Science Guy.

Sure thing pseudo Nietzsche wannabee.

 

[DA-LION-619]

Edited. Happy now?

Wow you changed the term from global warming to climate change yet the reputation of science is unaffected.

 

[JangoFett]

Glorious how you are now supporting my point that Peer reviewed studies with RCT data is what we need to use to make assessments about the efficacy of treatments and not the ramblings of people on the internet.

Bs.

Geoff has been going on and on about this magic concentration level.

Citation needed.

It proves one cannot listen to the advice of the non-experts, as actual experts appear to have achieved positive results at a completely lower level.

Has nothing to do with you intentionally presenting a distorted representation of the facts.

What are the effects of dosing people at Geoffs level? Geoff is refusing to acknowledge that he has been offering this advice on dosage and also preventative dosage, which is what he has been repeatedly called out for.

You tell me, I haven't seen you give a quantity anywhere.

You just have your panties in a bunch and are trying to conflate my post about irony, with a completely separate line of argument.

You were the one who attempted the conflation, don't try to foist your BS on me.

 

[JangoFett]

Wow you changed the term from global warming to climate change yet the reputation of science is unaffected.

I'm sure this sounded a lot more clever in your head.

 

[JangoFett]

Sure thing pseudo Nietzsche wannabee.

Whatever you say, barrel of oil.

 

[buka001]

No evidence of any concentrations being mentioned in what you've linked to. Where's your evidence, science boy?

Keep up.

These are posts from Geoff where he advocated for preventative use of IVM. These are not the posts about his famed concertation level of dosage. I see you are beginning to grasp how all over the show Geoff can be with his IVM theories.

He was called out at that point to define what he meant by "early" and "high risk".

This is what I am referring to when I challenged you with regards to whether IVM is "perfectly fine for humans". Is it perfectly fine for pre-dosage over a long duration? Is it perfectly fine at the high concentration levels Geoff advocates for?

 

[DA-LION-619]

I'm sure this sounded a lot more clever in your head.

We’ve seen what goes on in your head.
Next you’ll be picking fights against a young girl because of her views on climate change.

 

[JangoFett]

Keep up.

These are posts from Geoff where he advocated for preventative use of IVM. These are not the posts about his famed concertation level of dosage. I see you are beginning to grasp how all over the show Geoff can be with his IVM theories.

I have quoted two of your posts where you stipulated the requirements for preventative dosing of IVM.

Shall I link to it for a 3rd time?

TIL that the dosage has nothing to do with the dosing.

He was called out at that point to define what he meant by "early" and "high risk".

This is what I am referring to when I challenged you with regards to whether IVM is "perfectly fine for humans". Is it perfectly fine for pre-dosage over a long duration? Is it perfectly fine at the high concentration levels Geoff advocates for?

Your challenge is irrelevant to the reason why I rased the fact that it was perfectly fine for humans. So you were just shifting the goalposts because you were desperate to deflect from your trolling.

 

[Temujin]

Here you go:




You "just" misrepresented what IVM is and used that misrepresentation to troll people. And when caught out refused to back down and apologise.


Red-herring that in no way detracts from your dishonesty. But keep trying to shift the goalposts while pretending you're not an enemy of science.

A simple google would give him the answers he wants(actually not google, they probably filter it all out, make that a simple duckduckgo)... the 'wonder drug' as its been called for decades saving billions of lives, used by billions, for anything from cancer to maleria, and yes, including studies of long term preventative usage tracking people from kids into adulthood while using it is all there.... but he will refuse all those decades of research and safety making it no different to panado cos big pharma suddenly decided their 'wonder drug' thats a must have for all countries is not so 'wonder' and is suddenly deadly cos reasons and its best to invest 100s of billions to develop a new one /shrug

 

[JangoFett]

A simple google would give him the answers he wants(actually not google, they probably filter it all out, make that a simple duckduckgo)... the 'wonder drug' as its been called for decades saving billions of lives, used by billions, for anything from cancer to maleria, and yes, including studies of long term preventative usage tracking people from kids into adulthood while using it is all there.... but he will refuse all those decades of research and safety making it no different to panado cos big pharma suddenly decided their 'wonder drug' thats a must have for all countries is not so 'wonder' and is suddenly deadly cos reasons and its best to invest 100s of billions to develop a new one /shrug

Don't forget the other "lion" in this thread...

 

[pouroverguy]

No evidence of any concentrations being mentioned in what you've linked to. Where's your evidence, science boy?

This is real mature.

 

[pouroverguy]

A simple google would give him the answers he wants(actually not google, they probably filter it all out, make that a simple duckduckgo)... the 'wonder drug' as its been called for decades saving billions of lives, used by billions, for anything from cancer to maleria, and yes, including studies of long term preventative usage tracking people from kids into adulthood while using it is all there.... but he will refuse all those decades of research and safety making it no different to panado cos big pharma suddenly decided their 'wonder drug' thats a must have for all countries is not so 'wonder' and is suddenly deadly cos reasons and its best to invest 100s of billions to develop a new one /shrug

Explain why steroids have been pushed so widely once proper evidence came about, despite them being some of the cheapest drugs on the market. Seriously, please explain. Why haven't big Bad Pharma shut them down?

 

[JangoFett]

This is real mature.

THAT's the immaturity here that gets you hot under the collar?

 

[buka001]

We’ve seen what goes on in your head.
Next you’ll be picking fights against a young girl because of her views on climate change.

Ooooof.

 

[JangoFett]

Ooooof.

Ya, quite the epic fail on his part.

So, are you gonna give evidence as to these unreasonable dosages that Geoff was talking about, or nah?

 

[buka001]

TIL that the dosage has nothing to do with the dosing.


Your challenge is irrelevant to the reason why I rased the fact that it was perfectly fine for humans. So you were just shifting the goalposts because you were desperate to deflect from your trolling.

Yeah because he was very vague one what the dosage level for preventative usage is. Is it the same as his famous 5 whatever it is level? Or is that the level for when you are infected? Or is it the same as when used for prevention?

You are mirroring the confusion felt by those who challenge Geoff on his theories.

You are just seeing it now, because I am saying what he said. Your bias missed it when he said it.

The challenge is relative. Is it perfectly fine if used the way Geoff advocates for it? As an experimental preventative drug?

 

[buka001]

Ya, quite the epic fail on his part.

So, are you gonna give evidence as to these unreasonable dosages that Geoff was talking about, or nah?

He has said several times it needs to be at a concentration of 5 (cant recall units).

To which evidence has been shown through several studies, even some from pre-COVID (so no ideological malarky and bias), that achieving this level in humans is not practically achievable.

He is big enough to admit this himself.

P.s. the only fail there is yours. Greta waves hi! I assume you prefer an oral based argument with her?