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Sign up with GoogleIvermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19
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Swa
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Only 5% of people have been vaccinated and a lot of high risk individuals have refused it so can't say it's due to vaccines alone. We know there are vaccinated people in hospital and dead. There are also those doctors with a 100% success rate with IVM. Is that due to the IVM or did they just not get sick enough? Now how many people taking IVM did he not have to see? Were those he saw taking it on prescription or as an animal product?
See this is the issue with anecdotal reports as they just leave a bunch of questions. But for some reason people keep quoting them as proof and are then angry when it's pointed out seeing it as an attack on the individual(s).
And this is the issue with vaccines as well. When it comes to IVM we don't know. It might well be that if people are cured earlier there's less chance of infection. Or most of those taking it as prophylaxis may not become infectious at all. This is what needs to be studied so we can know for sure.
What will eventually make you agree it's a good idea? And what will be your criteria? 10%, 20%, 50%, 90%? Will you ever agree it's a good idea?
The ethical dilemma here is that if IVM is officially endorsed as an adequate treatment then the vaccines become null and void even if they are 100% effective. So we've actually set up a false dilemma here. It's for good reason but doesn't change the facts. So we have to ask if there are those who would advocate against IVM even if it's effective and if they are actually wrong?
On the other hand if IVM can reduce the R-value to <1 it can eradicate the virus where vaccines can't. Perhaps the best scenario would be for IVM to simply be used off-label so that those who want the vaccines can still get them.
I was just wondering, but is the stress you are experiencing clinically significant with respect to your condition? In other words, does stress aggravate the symptoms of the disorder that you have?I am choosing to post my thoughts here because I feel like I will be mocked/judged elsewhere.
I am getting really nervous /anxious.
Reading the feedback on some of the other threads isn't great for my mental health.
I have read in other threads about loved ones passing away, even though they took Ivermectin.
Granted in one of those posts: The patient was vaccinated, contracted covid & was on Ivermectin. She passed away after vaccination.
The cause of death sounds like side effects of the vaccine & she happened to test positive for covid at the time.
Anyway, I am in a tricky situation.
I think that vaccines play an important role.
I unfortunately have an autoimmune /inflammatory condition & the white blood cells that usually indicate worm/allergy are very high in my body.
I have a diagnosis of lupus but it isn't a full diagnosis. My body is producing lupus antibodies but it isn't showing the pattern of lupus.
I was placed on Chloroquine last year to calm my immune system down.
With regards to the vaccine:
Two Doctors have reluctantly told me to not be vaccinated.
Many of the issues surrounding the vaccine is due to the body going into a hyper inflammation mode, clotting or the immune system turning against the individual.
I don't know how I feel about vaccination anymore.
So I hope that Ivermectin works. I also understand that it has shown to reduce mortality by 60‰..It isn't perfect but is probably the only option I have.
I feel more comfortable being offered an Antiviral when that finally comes out.
So I am hoping there are other methods of dealing with covid.
Hearing about young people & healthy individuals dying from Delta is frightening me.
I really want to see my family but I am too afraid to expose myself to anything.
People documenting side effects of the vaccine are being censored on Tiktok, facebook etc.
These are legitimate cases and not "fake news".
Social media influences are also being paid to promote vaccination.
www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/08/04/thousand-dollar-cash-payments-and-tiktok-influencer-army-are-part-of-the-campaign-to-get-people-vaccinated/amp/
I understand why this is done but I feel overwhelmed, over stimulated & pushed to make a difficult decision for myself.
Here is a link of a lady documenting her side effects after receiving the Pfizer vaccine:
You can download the app or watch the videos from your pc. She has documented her journey every step of the way.
Dr's don't even believe that it is linked to the vaccine, she now has neurological issues & is placed on heart medication.
She struggled to convince them it wasn't "anxiety". She was hospitalised & is now being treated regularly. They are still figuring out what happened to her.
Vaccination is a personal decision but there needs to be more transparency & we also need the terms of these contracts to be exposed.
Mybb has been helpful to me during my anxiety but I need a break.
This is my last post in a while.
To anybody making a snarky comments after this, as this place has become predictable.
I wish you well & your loved ones well. I respect your decision, so don't judge me for mine.
@Geoff.D please make an effort to watch that lady's tiktok videos. It is worth the effort & you will understand why after watching it.
Btw she is getting a lot of negative comments & being called an "anti vaxxer" etc.
Take care
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That is YOUR approach, it's not necessarily the correct one. We know why they claim to have included only those but it also plays into the hands of some with ulterior motives. They also used their own proprietary tool to exclude some studies. There's a huge body of evidence which while it doesn't meet strict criteria is nonetheless not any less valid.
Yes it does.
Did he say that, or are you speaking on his behalf without knowing the specifics?
I'm speaking because I know Lupus very well, environmental stressors play a big role in it. My sister suffered from systemic lupus erythematosus the second she started stressing she would get flareups.Did he say that, or are you speaking on his behalf without knowing the specifics?
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That is unfortunate and I know exactly how you feel. Nobody can even actually tell me if I should or should not take the vaccine from a safety standpoint. It does not help when people start calling our things like anti-vaxxor and making it an either-or situtation.I am choosing to post my thoughts here because I feel like I will be mocked/judged elsewhere.
I am getting really nervous /anxious.
Reading the feedback on some of the other threads isn't great for my mental health.
I have read in other threads about loved ones passing away, even though they took Ivermectin.
Granted in one of those posts: The patient was vaccinated, contracted covid & was on Ivermectin. She passed away after vaccination.
The cause of death sounds like side effects of the vaccine & she happened to test positive for covid at the time.
Anyway, I am in a tricky situation.
I think that vaccines play an important role.
I unfortunately have an autoimmune /inflammatory condition & the white blood cells that usually indicate worm/allergy are very high in my body.
I have a diagnosis of lupus but it isn't a full diagnosis. My body is producing lupus antibodies but it isn't showing the pattern of lupus.
I was placed on Chloroquine last year to calm my immune system down.
With regards to the vaccine:
Two Doctors have reluctantly told me to not be vaccinated.
Many of the issues surrounding the vaccine is due to the body going into a hyper inflammation mode, clotting or the immune system turning against the individual.
I don't know how I feel about vaccination anymore.
So I hope that Ivermectin works. I also understand that it has shown to reduce mortality by 60‰..It isn't perfect but is probably the only option I have.
I feel more comfortable being offered an Antiviral when that finally comes out.
So I am hoping there are other methods of dealing with covid.
Hearing about young people & healthy individuals dying from Delta is frightening me.
I really want to see my family but I am too afraid to expose myself to anything.
People documenting side effects of the vaccine are being censored on Tiktok, facebook etc.
These are legitimate cases and not "fake news".
Social media influences are also being paid to promote vaccination.
www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/08/04/thousand-dollar-cash-payments-and-tiktok-influencer-army-are-part-of-the-campaign-to-get-people-vaccinated/amp/
I understand why this is done but I feel overwhelmed, over stimulated & pushed to make a difficult decision for myself.
Here is a link of a lady documenting her side effects after receiving the Pfizer vaccine:
You can download the app or watch the videos from your pc. She has documented her journey every step of the way.
Dr's don't even believe that it is linked to the vaccine, she now has neurological issues & is placed on heart medication.
She struggled to convince them it wasn't "anxiety". She was hospitalised & is now being treated regularly. They are still figuring out what happened to her.
Vaccination is a personal decision but there needs to be more transparency & we also need the terms of these contracts to be exposed.
Mybb has been helpful to me during my anxiety but I need a break.
This is my last post in a while.
To anybody making a snarky comments after this, as this place has become predictable.
I wish you well & your loved ones well. I respect your decision, so don't judge me for mine.
@Geoff.D please make an effort to watch that lady's tiktok videos. It is worth the effort & you will understand why after watching it.
Btw she is getting a lot of negative comments & being called an "anti vaxxer" etc.
Take care
As an aside I also know someone in a similar situation as you. Was also given the diagnosis or Lupus among many others but nothing definitive. She ended up with an alternative doctor using some kind of scanner. He diagnosed her with some kind of worm that was eating her. Gave her something for that and it was the end of all her problems.
Those studies were probably conclusive in what they were meant to study...just not a case of dove-tailing with what you wanted them to say.
Anywho...
He said it was lupus-like, not that it was lupus. I'd prefer to hear from him.
Specifically, he said:
No actually he said it was lupus, but not a full diagnosis. Lupus is difficult to diagnose in the beginning but it becomes pretty evident as symptoms present.
But sure, let him tell you.
Hey, that's some cute speculation.
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And what did they actually end up studying?
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The fact that you think double-blinded studies are "BS" says a lot.
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What he describes is actually an inconclusive diagnosis.
The fact that you think null results trump positive results says a lot more.
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It's not double-blind studies that are BS but this insistence that only double blind studies are of value.
@JangoFett I’m not going to argue with you on the topic, the fact that he’s producing ANA’s are pretty evident that he has lupus, it may not be presenting as atypical lupus but it’s there.
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Going to just ignore you from now on, because this is just a waste of my time.
Et tu, troll.