Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

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The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability.

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence.

The effect, or Dunning and Kruger's original explanation for the effect, has been challenged by mathematical analyses[2][3][4][5][6][7] and comparisons across cultures.[8][9]

Outside psychology, non-professionals often invoke the Dunning-Kruger effect to insult people. Mark Murphy calls this abuse of the theory a form of "weaponized psychology".[10]


In short people with low ability in a field can't recognise that low ability because you require at least moderate ability to know what you're not good at. While at the other end of the scale people who are indeed trained enough lose the ability to recognise when others are indeed competent enough.
 

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US$3 per dose? That's about R15. My farmers Co-op sells it for under R340 for 500 ml. That would make the dose about 22 ml or more than 4 teaspoons. What, according to you, is the correct and recommended dose and how often should it be given?

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Which exchange rate are you using?

Maybe it did not/will not work for you. Just don't buy sheep dip from the farmers Co-op. :X3:
 
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On Yootchoob maybe. In the real world of medicine there is no evidence for it's efficacy.
You've been pointed to plenty, but you continue to ignore it. I'll just go with the thousands of doctors and professors who don't.

It's unprofitable? Is that why big pharma hasn't stopped making it? Because it's unprofitable and they're only in it for the money? And farmers buy this unprofitable drug all the time?
Cents vs $3000.

Your understanding? Can you back that up with some substantiation at all?
:ROFL:

US$3 per dose? That's about R15. My farmers Co-op sells it for under R340 for 500 ml. That would make the dose about 22 ml or more than 4 teaspoons. What, according to you, is the correct and recommended dose and how often should it be given?

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I don't know, I don't use sheep dip which CONTAINS Ivermectin. Ask your vet perhaps?
 

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As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence.

Exactly. And you don't seem to have grasped what that description said either:

the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability (Medically unqualified people in your case) and from an external misperception in people of high ability (Correct, The most able believe they're not able but the unable believe they're competent).

Recognise the average Yootchoober that uses it for "facts"?
 

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Which exchange rate are you using?

Maybe it did not/will not work for you. Just don't buy sheep dip from the farmers Co-op. :X3:

Why not? My farmers co-op ran out and have been ordering huge quantities since the Ivermectin fake news hit social media.

Ivermectin is sheep dip... It's just refined more for oral tablet form. You didn't think the pharmacological formula changed, did you?

Now can you tell me the recommended dosage and how often it needs to be taken? No real doctor has any information. Maybe you and SWA have the elusive information the medical profession doesn't have?
 

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Exactly. And you don't seem to have grasped what that description said either:

the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability (Medically unqualified people in your case) and from an external misperception in people of high ability (Correct, The most able believe they're not able but the unable believe they're competent).

Recognise the average Yootchoober that uses it for "facts"?
You're reading that wrong. It says nothing about official qualifications and only knowledge and ability in general. The other side is also that people with high ability can't recognise true ability IN OTHERS.
 

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Why not? My farmers co-op ran out and have been ordering huge quantities since the Ivermectin fake news hit social media.

Ivermectin is sheep dip... It's just refined more for oral tablet form. You didn't think the pharmacological formula changed, did you?

Now can you tell me the recommended dosage and how often it needs to be taken? No real doctor has any information. Maybe you and SWA have the elusive information the medical profession doesn't have?
Dude stop with this crap you and Buka are peddling. IVM is NOT sheep dip. Sheep dip only contains some IVM. IVM was used originally and still is on mass for humans.

IVM was repurposed for animals but it's ironically the sheep that keep peddling this crap that it's for animals.
 

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You've been pointed to plenty, but you continue to ignore it. I'll just go with the thousands of doctors and professors who don't.

Which thousands of doctors and professors? A few on Yootchoob aren't thousands. Any name list for these thousands?

Cents vs $3000.

Why do you persist with Remdisivir? How much does a vaccination shot cost? Any ideas?


Of course. When you can't substantiate your assertions, a giggle emoji will do. This says far more about you than you think...

I don't know, I don't use sheep dip which CONTAINS Ivermectin. Ask your vet perhaps?

Ivermectin is sheep dip...
 

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Why not? My farmers co-op ran out and have been ordering huge quantities since the Ivermectin fake news hit social media.

Ivermectin is sheep dip... It's just refined more for oral tablet form. You didn't think the pharmacological formula changed, did you?

Now can you tell me the recommended dosage and how often it needs to be taken? No real doctor has any information. Maybe you and SWA have the elusive information the medical profession doesn't have?
Already stated and showed to be idiotic, even the trolls made a U-turn.

Aso for your questions: already asked and answered. Stop asking questions, read what's already been shared.

Atm you're opening your proverbial mouth to change feet. Perhaps you should stop telling us how stupid we are. Read this again, Mr $3 = R15:

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability.

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence.

The effect, or Dunning and Kruger's original explanation for the effect, has been challenged by mathematical analyses[2][3][4][5][6][7] and comparisons across cultures.[8][9]

Outside psychology, non-professionals often invoke the Dunning-Kruger effect to insult people. Mark Murphy calls this abuse of the theory a form of "weaponized psychology".[10]


In short people with low ability in a field can't recognise that low ability because you require at least moderate ability to know what you're not good at. While at the other end of the scale people who are indeed trained enough lose the ability to recognise when others are indeed competent enough.
 

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You're reading that wrong. It says nothing about official qualifications and only knowledge and ability in general. The other side is also that people with high ability can't recognise true ability IN OTHERS.

Suggest you read it in a psychological text book instead of on Wiki. Tell me who is right and you are wrong after that.

You have absolutely no understanding of the Dunning Kruger effect as you have just demonstrated and have just illustrated the effect perfectly using yourself as the subject...
 
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Dude stop with this crap you and Buka are peddling. IVM is NOT sheep dip. Sheep dip only contains some IVM. IVM was used originally and still is on mass for humans.

IVM was repurposed for animals but it's ironically the sheep that keep peddling this crap that it's for animals.

Don't talk kak. It fcvking well is sheep dip and has been for decades. I live in a sheep farming area. Suggest you come tell these farmers they're wrong.
 

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Already stated and showed to be idiotic, even the trolls made a U-turn.

Aso for your questions: already asked and answered. Stop asking questions, read what's already been shared.

Atm you're opening your proverbial mouth to change feet. Perhaps you should stop telling us how stupid we are. Read this again, Mr $3 = R15:

My mistake. US$3 = R45. So that means the dosage would be about 60 ml then. Around 12 teaspoons. Is that dose correct according to you and how often does it need to be taken?

Oh, and you don't get to decide what I comment on. I am not rereading 140 pages of a circular argument. Suggest you tell the pro IVM guys to stop repeating themselves...
 

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Which thousands of doctors and professors? A few on Yootchoob aren't thousands. Any name list for these thousands?
No I don't keep track.

Why do you persist with Remdisivir? How much does a vaccination shot cost? Any ideas?
Estimates are $500bn for the pandemic. That's almost pure profit where IVM still has to account for manufacturing costs. Keep in mind if IVM is officially recognised as an adequate treatment all the EUAs for the vaccines and other experimental treatments fall away so they lose out on at least 2 years worth of that.

Of course. When you can't substantiate your assertions, a giggle emoji will do. This says far more about you than you think...
I'm laughing because IVM was already a medication of interest for viral infections in 2002 or earlier. It was discussed in this very thread with articles so there's nothing for me to substantiate.

Ivermectin is sheep dip...
BAHHHH! Go back to your flock, they're missing their idiot.
 

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Suggest you read it in a psychological text book instead of on Wiki. Tell me who is right and you are wrong after that.

You have absolutely no understanding of the Dunning Kruger effect as you have just demonstrated and have just illustrated the effect perfectly using yourself as the subject...
Tbh, I suspect you read widely, just don't understand what you're reading.
Don't talk kak. It fcvking well is sheep dip and has been for decades. I live in a sheep farming area. Suggest you come tell these farmers they're wrong.

So, are you suggesting people stick instruments called needles, made for cows, into their arms to get their CovID jab?

Yes, you also use the Mycin family of drugs on poultry and livestock.

Don't use penicillin, it's used on cows.

:X3:

... using your fallacious logic

My mistake. US$3 = R45. So that means the dosage would be about 60 ml then. Around 12 teaspoons.
Thank you. An answer and an acknowledgement from you that you were wrong. Eureka!

Is that dose correct according to you and how often does it need to be taken?
I don't know. I got my IVM from a doctor.

Oh, and you don't get to decide what I comment on.

Cool, then you don't get to stop me to point out bad faith questions that were already answered and you're parroting. Deal?
 

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Great. Now tell us the cost, dosage and frequency?

After exposure to somebody that was positive for a few hours, before the jab was available, I went to the doctor. We discussed it at length.

Consultation cost with a course for a week, initial boost plus tab daily, was about R500 odd.

Dosage? Unsure as I did not have the tab analyzed. I trusted a professional for that that's seen me through some hairy situations many years. Let's say I was young starting off, he too, when we first met. Now we're both gray. So I think he did a good job.

You forgot to ask the doctor's ID number, address, shoe size ... anyway, I'm sure you can ask your vet since your seem to prefer that biased view.
 
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