Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[Howdy]

No, I’m not. Your playground argument needs some weight behind it. Please clarify.

Are you saying there is no profit to be made in a R45 drug that will have to be made and sold in a quantity of billions?

That's like saying there's no profit to be made from selling a 2019 BMW. Yet here we are and a list 2020 and 2021 models later.

 

[Swa]

No, I’m not. Your playground argument needs some weight behind it. Please clarify.

Are you saying there is no profit to be made in a R45 drug that will have to be made and sold in a quantity of billions?

There is not much to be made.

 

[Geoff.D]

So why wouldn’t big pharmacy be pushing this as a possible solution and pushing the studies ? It makes no sense not to. This could be a major cash cow.

Because the two big boys BOTH have their own pet projects going to develop a treatment for Covid 19 with a new drug. Some of us have previously posted the links to the existing study reports and some trials going on for those drugs. By as I said already, there is no hype in those articles, just cold hard technical facts. So no excitement and ammo there to continue your attacks.

 

[Spizz]

There is not much to be made.

But that’s clearly not true. Even a R1 profit on a R45 drug sold in its billions makes a profit of, well, billions.

 

[Howdy]

But that’s clearly not true. Even a R1 profit on a R45 drug sold in its billions makes a profit of, well, billions.

Yet if that same profit could be R100?
Would you rather have R1 or R100?

You market is guaranteed.

 

[Spizz]

Because the two big boys BOTH have their own pet projects going to develop a treatment for Covid 19 with a new drug. Some of us have previously posted the links to the existing study reports and some trials going on for those drugs. By as I said already, there is no hype in those articles, just cold hard technical facts. So no excitement and ammo there to continue your attacks.

You seem to have me classed in the same category as you as some clueless fool with an agenda. Well newsflash buttercup, my agenda is stopping this schit and if it is stopped through IVM or chocolate smarties then I’m all for it.

So sure, let’s say the big two have their own pet projects, well what about the rest of them? Why aren’t they pushing IVM? No R&D costs and plenty profit to be made, sounds like a no brainier.

 

[Spizz]

Yet if that same profit could be R100?
Would you rather have R1 or R100?

You market is guaranteed.

The market would be limited though. I’m talking volume here. Even if there was a huge profit margin on the $3000 drugs, the quantity sold would be surely far less than the $3 drug and a $3 drug that offered a successful outcome would be guaranteed billions of sales in the coming months, never mind years.

 

[azbob]

After exposure to somebody that was positive for a few hours, before the jab was available, I went to the doctor. We discussed it at length.

Consultation cost with a course for a week, initial boost plus tab daily, was about R500 odd.

Dosage? Unsure as I did not have the tab analyzed. I trusted a professional for that that's seen me through some hairy situations many years. Let's say I was young starting off, he too, when we first met. Now we're both gray. So I think he did a good job.

You forgot to ask the doctor's ID number, address, shoe size ... anyway, I'm sure you can ask your vet since your seem to prefer that biased view.

R500 for a consultation and medicine? Was this using a friends & family discount?

 

[Spizz]

R500 for a consultation and medicine? Was this using a friends & family discount?

AgriMart loyalty card.

 

[DA-LION-619]

Yet if that same profit could be R100?
Would you rather have R1 or R100?

You market is guaranteed.

lol not like people are dying

 

[Howdy]

The market would be limited though. I’m talking volume here. Even if there was a huge profit margin on the $3000 drugs, the quantity sold would be surely far less than the $3 drug and a $3 drug that offered a successful outcome would be guaranteed billions of sales in the coming months, never mind years.

The more you inflate the figure and the bigger the crisis, the bigger the potential for profit, even if you market shrinks. Your market is guaranteed. A basic perverted supply vs demand.

 

[Howdy]

AgriMart loyalty card.

You can go try, or just pop in at your buddy for a dip.

 

[Howdy]

R500 for a consultation and medicine? Was this using a friends & family discount?

What larnie specialist do you use as a family doctor?

 

[Swa]

But that’s clearly not true. Even a R1 profit on a R45 drug sold in its billions makes a profit of, well, billions.

So that's 1 billion Rand being optimistic vs 500 billion Dollar.

 

[pouroverguy]

You seem to have me classed in the same category as you as some clueless fool with an agenda. Well newsflash buttercup, my agenda is stopping this schit and if it is stopped through IVM or chocolate smarties then I’m all for it.

So sure, let’s say the big two have their own pet projects, well what about the rest of them? Why aren’t they pushing IVM? No R&D costs and plenty profit to be made, sounds like a no brainier.

Wonderful to see someone with far more intelligence myself start to shut down some of the horribly incorrect opinions on this forum. Well done.

 

[Spizz]

So that's 1 billion Rand being optimistic vs 500 billion Dollar.

I was using Rand to emphasise how much $3 actually is in real terms. It’s being chucked away as a paltry sum when compared to $3000. But good grief, R45 is a substantial sum more than enough to make your eyes water with a guaranteed market of nearly 8 billion people.

And why are you guys making this an either/or? It’s not.

 

[Spizz]

Wonderful to see someone with far more intelligence myself start to shut down some of the horribly incorrect opinions on this forum. Well done.

Lol. Don’t talk yourself down dude. It’s not too hard to present a smidgen of logic when faced with these self proclaimed saviours. If you stick around you’ll see it’s the same people peddling the same non conformist characteristics across several subjects.

 

[Howdy]

I was using Rand to emphasise how much $3 actually is in real terms. It’s being chucked away as a paltry sum when compared to $3000. But good grief, R45 is a substantial sum more than enough to make your eyes water with a guaranteed market of nearly 8 billion people.

And why are you guys making this an either/or? It’s not.

New entrant storms in a with unilateral view of "You guys"

Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

https://www.news24.com/amp/news24/southafrica/news/why-sas-drug-regulator-cannot-recommend-ivermectin-to-treat-covid-19-20210721 Oh dear. Now you'll incur the wrath of the Ivermectin brigade. They don't want to hear what you posted and will oppose any medical evidence.

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[Swa]

I was using Rand to emphasise how much $3 actually is in real terms. It’s being chucked away as a paltry sum when compared to $3000. But good grief, R45 is a substantial sum more than enough to make your eyes water with a guaranteed market of nearly 8 billion people.

And why are you guys making this an either/or? It’s not.

The point is it's not $3 but a few cents per dose vs $3000 for their new drug. And it's not a guaranteed market. Even Merck, the biggest manufacturer, only makes 5% of the supply.

And we're not the ones making it an either or situation but as has constantly been pointed out if IVM was seen as an effective treatment no vaccine or other experimental treatment will get emergency use authorisation.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You really are a complete dunce sometimes.

It was FIRST used to treat humans for diseases like River Blindness, Elephantitias and other parasite diseases.

It was LATER repurposed for use in animals.

Get your facts straight.

Talking kak as usual:

By 1986, ivermectin was registered for use in 46 countries and was administered massively to cattle, sheep and other animals. Ivermectin was approved for human use in 1988.

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