Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[Cosmik Debris]

There are trial reports that cover both.

Where's the data?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And that IS the only understanding that CD has about the subject. He only knows about its negative connotations because his ONLY debating style is to insult, belittle and intimidate his perceived opponents.

I am starting to wonder if he should not be investigated for being an ex BOSS interrogator ........

Nope. Ivermectin has it's place. And its place is not as a Covid cure.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

If there is billions to be made from a $3 drug, how much more to be made from a $3000 drug.

Still not getting it?

Substantiation for the cost of vaccine as $3000 please?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

There is not much to be made.

Any business calculations you've made to prove that?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yet if that same profit could be R100?
Would you rather have R1 or R100?

You market is guaranteed.

But you have to invest R99 in a plant and research. Dumb economics.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I was using Rand to emphasise how much $3 actually is in real terms. It’s being chucked away as a paltry sum when compared to $3000. But good grief, R45 is a substantial sum more than enough to make your eyes water with a guaranteed market of nearly 8 billion people.

And why are you guys making this an either/or? It’s not.

And R45 will get you more than 12 teaspoons (66 ml) of Ivermectin. I notice not one of the pro IVM can give me the correct dose and frequency...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The point is it's not $3 but a few cents per dose vs $3000 for their new drug. And it's not a guaranteed market. Even Merck, the biggest manufacturer, only makes 5% of the supply.

And we're not the ones making it an either or situation but as has constantly been pointed out if IVM was seen as an effective treatment no vaccine or other experimental treatment will get emergency use authorisation.

Still waiting for you to tell me what the correct dose and administration frequency of Ivermectin is.

Something all the pro Ivermectin proponents here are avoiding...

 

[R13...]

They did and some states are still. The problem just about every country in the World is influenced by what that useless lot called the WHO say and do and that in turn influences the regulators and the regulators make it difficult for doctors to prescribe even under emergency regulations (SAHPRA has authorised its use for treating Covid 19 under emergency authorisation).

I somehow doubt anyone would care if it indeed saved lives. Why are the WHO opposed to its use? I know there was some tinfoil thing about it being saved for other purposes but that was nonsense. People on this forum have reported taking it or reported loved ones taking it but still getting severely sick or even dying.

 

[Geoff.D]

I somehow doubt anyone would care if it indeed saved lives. Why are the WHO opposed to its use? I know there was some tinfoil thing about it being saved for other purposes but that was nonsense. People on this forum have reported taking it or reported loved ones taking it but still getting severely sick or even dying.

There are people who get sick from Covid, follow the accepted treatment path, get treated with medicines their doctors prescribe for them, end up in hospital and die anyway.
Do you see a campaign being launched against the drugs used in their treatment?
No?
Then why this campaign against IVM?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

There are people who get sick from Covid, follow the accepted treatment path, get treated with medicines their doctors prescribe for them, end up in hospital and die anyway.
Do you see a campaign being launched against the drugs used in their treatment?
No?
Then why this campaign against IVM?

Because there is no evidence for the efficacy of Ivermectin for treating Covid!

Get that into your head!

 

[Markd]

There are people who get sick from Covid, follow the accepted treatment path, get treated with medicines their doctors prescribe for them, end up in hospital and die anyway.
Do you see a campaign being launched against the drugs used in their treatment?
No?
Then why this campaign against IVM?

To be fair Geoff nobody is going on about how those other medicines are some kind of miracle prophylaxis or treatment specifically for COVID. This is why there is a 'campaign' against IVM - because there is specifically a large body of people that are saying stuff like we dont need a vaccine because we have IVM, and there is not enough evidence to support that view at all. Maybe it works and has a positive effect at some dosage and for some duration of time, but its damaging to position it as a wonder-drug against IVM in place of vaccines. I appreciate that not everyone is doing that, but that specific narrative is popular and is the reason for the anti-IVM campaign.

 

[SoldierMan]

Still waiting for you to tell me what the correct dose and administration frequency of Ivermectin is.

Something all the pro Ivermectin proponents here are avoiding...

It's been posted in this thread about 5 times already yet like everything else you just ignore it.

Try the FLCCC website under "protocols".

 

[Kawak]

I think this debate should really be about whether we follow a more American approach to allow self medicating on much more "meds" in general. So long as it's safe or relatively safe.

It is very difficult to do proper medical research during a pandemic, faced with life or death situations is hard to yield results without serious humanitarian concerns. I personally think this is the issue as during any research, when faced with a dying patient, the right thing to do is never to wait around but to do everything possible, thereby, reducing the usability of any data, also, it will be completely unethical to give a dying patient a placebo without any other treatment, this alone makes it impossible to get double blind studies.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It's been posted in this thread about 5 times already yet like everything else you just ignore it.

Try the FLCCC website under "protocols".

I don't read lunatic fringe websites. Come out and categorically state the dosage and frequency instead of referring people to websites.

You can't because there is no known dosage not frequency and Ivermectin has no efficacy against Covid.

And are you once again going to tell me it was used on humans before animals? Your track record for accuracy and fake news is not encouraging. Slink off if you're not going to acknowledge or apologise for your "mistake".

 

[pouroverguy]

There are people who get sick from Covid, follow the accepted treatment path, get treated with medicines their doctors prescribe for them, end up in hospital and die anyway.
Do you see a campaign being launched against the drugs used in their treatment?
No?
Then why this campaign against IVM?

Because some people are going to die, despite the recommended treatment. When your time comes, it comes. There is no good evidence that supports the use of IVM outside of trials.

 

[SoldierMan]

I don't read lunatic fringe websites. Come out and categorically state the dosage and frequency instead of referring people to websitrs.

You can't because there is no known dosage not frequency and Ivermectin has no efficacy against Covid.

And are you once again going to tell me it was used on humans before animals? Your track record for accuracy and fake news is not encouraging. Slink off if you're not going to acknowledge or apologise for your "mistake".

Yeah you don't read ANYTHING that isn't CDC or WHO. So there is no point in telling you dosage or anything because you won't accept it.

I don't even know why you ask for things you are just going to dismiss as not WHO or CDC.

The FLCCC doctor testified before congress regarding Covid so ignoramus' like you might not like the FLCCC but plenty of others do and they have 100% track record in treating Covid patients unlike your WHO protocols.

Being a blind sheep like you isn't a smart thing to do when lives are at stake.

 

[SoldierMan]

Because some people are going to die, despite the recommended treatment. When your time comes, it comes. There is no good evidence that supports the use of IVM outside of trials.

Yeah except those doctors that have a 100% success rate in treating their Covid patients with IVM

 

[pouroverguy]

Yeah except those doctors that have a 100% success rate in treating their Covid patients with IVM

How can you actually believe that nonsense? That would make Ivermectin the most effective drug EVER.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yeah you don't read ANYTHING that isn't CDC or WHO. So there is no point in telling you dosage or anything because you won't accept it.

I don't even know why you ask for things you are just going to dismiss as not WHO or CDC.

The FLCCC doctor testified before congress regarding Covid so ignoramus' like you might not like the FLCCC but plenty of others do and they have 100% track record in treating Covid patients unlike your WHO protocols.

Being a blind sheep like you isn't a smart thing to do when lives are at stake.

You can't tell me the dosage nor frequency because there isn't any. Lying again like you did about humans being treated before animals with Ivermectin. It shows you don't even know that humans have a far more intensive approval regimen than animals. Suggest you read your lunatic websites and watch some more Yootchoob videos.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yeah except those doctors that have a 100% success rate in treating their Covid patients with IVM

So Ivermectin is far more effective than any other drug ever discovered?