Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[SoldierMan]

They are? Any corroborated evidence you can post? Not from your debunked FLCCC website which disclaims its own claims please...

You do know that Pfizer has a disclaimer on it's website too right? So is Pfizer now debunked too?

DISCLAIMER​

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Pfizer, its officers and/or its employees do not accept or take any responsibility whatsoever for any loss, whether direct, indirect or consequential, which may arise from reliance on information contained on the pages and actions resulting therefrom. Any liability that would or could arise as a result of the contents of these pages is hereby excluded to the fullest extent allowed by law.

No warranty is given that any files, downloads or applications available via this web site are free of viruses which have the ability to corrupt your system.

Any and all information is subject to change without notice.

The information provided in this site is intended only for residents of South Africa.

Same with their international site.

TERMS OF USE​

Welcome to the Pfizer Web site. The information provided on this site is for general informational and educational purposes only.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Okay, okay - you win ...

Spoiler: Reality

...Not!

What is this obsession you have with arguing, trying to browbeat everybody into submission?

Go argue with the people at Merck etc.

Animal usage was the byproduct of a process in the search for a drug for human usage. It was tested on cows because the world had moral issues testing it on Chimps.

Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective

Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You are welcome.

Great. Which year was it approved for human use? Not which year was it discovered.

You're welcome.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You do know that Pfizer has a disclaimer on it's website too right? So is Pfizer now debunked too?

DISCLAIMER​

The information contained herein is provided for educational purposes only and is not intended to constitute medical advice or replace discussions with a healthcare provider. All decisions regarding patient care must be made with a healthcare provider, considering the unique characteristics of the patient.

While every effort is made to update the information regularly and to offer the most current, correct and clearly expressed information possible, Pfizer cannot be held responsible for any inaccuracy, errors, omissions or misinterpretations.

Pfizer, its officers and/or its employees do not accept or take any responsibility whatsoever for any loss, whether direct, indirect or consequential, which may arise from reliance on information contained on the pages and actions resulting therefrom. Any liability that would or could arise as a result of the contents of these pages is hereby excluded to the fullest extent allowed by law.

No warranty is given that any files, downloads or applications available via this web site are free of viruses which have the ability to corrupt your system.

Any and all information is subject to change without notice.

The information provided in this site is intended only for residents of South Africa.

Same with their international site.

TERMS OF USE​

Welcome to the Pfizer Web site. The information provided on this site is for general informational and educational purposes only.

Is that on it's professional Covid Vaccine website or it's educational website which is prone to abuse by non medical persons such as yourself?

 

[Geoff.D]

Hey Geoff, if you have so much confidence in ivermectin, why did you not treat your splinter by applying ivermectin to the wound? Why did you instead choose to apply motor grease to the wound? And if you have so much confidence in motor grease, why aren't you advocating its use to treat Covid?

You are just being stupid now. Trying to detract from the clear logic of my statement.
Answer the question I posed in my post or shut up.

 

[SoldierMan]

Is that on it's professional Covid Vaccine website or it's educational website which is prone to abuse by non medical persons such as yourself?

It gets even worse:

Terms Of Use on Pfizer website:

Medical Information. This Web site may contain general information relating to various medical conditions and their treatment. Such information is provided for informational purposes only and is not meant to be a substitute for advice provided by a doctor or other qualified health care professional. Patients should not use the information contained herein for diagnosing a health or fitness problem or disease. Patients should always consult with a doctor or other health care professional for medical advice or information about diagnosis and treatment.

 

[Howdy]

Great. Which year was it approved for human use? Not which year was it discovered.

You're welcome.

I guess in that case ALL medicines are cow, mice or chimp medicine. Also don't get you jab with a needle because - watch out, they're first tested on animals.

Did you actually read the link I gave you. Or do you just want to argue?

How long does it take to release an animal drug vs how long does it take to release human medicine, Einstein? It's typically 3 yrs vs 12 yrs on avg.

In this case they did it in ~9 years, not 12, it was so needed. The whole search, funding of billions was based upon a specific human need. Animal usage was a byproduct of the process.

 

[Geoff.D]

It get's even worse:

Terms Of Use on Pfizer website:

1. Medical Information. This Web site may contain general information relating to various medical conditions and their treatment. Such information is provided for informational purposes only and is not meant to be a substitute for advice provided by a doctor or other qualified health care professional. Patients should not use the information contained herein for diagnosing a health or fitness problem or disease. Patients should always consult with a doctor or other health care professional for medical advice or information about diagnosis and treatment.

The issue is the moment you post a dosage etc. The two circus clowns on this forum will accuse you of prescribing a treatment which you are not qualified to do. That is the only reason they are pressuring you to do post in your own words a treatment.
/Edit:
Oh dear my sincerest apology, I left out one of the clowns. No insult intended, nothing personal.
Sorry I forgot it is not two circus clowns. It is 3 .
Or, maybe it is 1 ringmaster and 2 clowns?

 

[JohnStarr]

The issue is the moment you post a dosage etc. The two circus clowns on this forum will accuse you of prescribing a treatment which you are not qualified to do. That is the only reason they are pressuring you to do post in your own words a treatment.

You're most definitely not qualified to post either on this subject. The fact that you're clearly arguing with a doctor/medical student on the forums says it all. And it's not Cosmik either (nor me just in case you get your jocks in a twist)
"I Google'd my information; your being a proper qualified medical person means nothing!" <-- that seems to be the general feeling.

 

[Howdy]

To be fair Geoff nobody is going on about how those other medicines are some kind of miracle prophylaxis or treatment specifically for COVID. This is why there is a 'campaign' against IVM - because there is specifically a large body of people that are saying stuff like we dont need a vaccine because we have IVM, and there is not enough evidence to support that view at all. Maybe it works and has a positive effect at some dosage and for some duration of time, but its damaging to position it as a wonder-drug against IVM in place of vaccines. I appreciate that not everyone is doing that, but that specific narrative is popular and is the reason for the anti-IVM campaign.

I get your point totally. Agree to an extent. However what's happened is that the anti-IVM crew have become so toxic that normal people sense the campaign as such, stop and start questioning. Nothing can conjure up things people think like they themselves. Do I believe IVM work? Yes, I had an encounter before we had vaccines. I was the only one to walk away without CovID. A few of my associates were in the same boat before and after. One got it mildly, no hospitalization needed. Am I saying people should not vaccinate? No. I was one of the first.

But then we also have people that cannot get the jab. Yet they are also attacked. The "toxic" environment I mentioned. It's reached a near religious frenzy.

 

[lumeer]

You are just being stupid now. Trying to detract from the clear logic of my statement.
Answer the question Imposed in my post or shut up.

Isn't.

 

[buka001]

Just another demonstration of your propensity towards personal attack and cyber bullying and your personal inability to comprehend what you read.

Sure thing Doctor.

 

[lumeer]

Isn't.

Is "Isn't." a gramatically complete sentence? Well, is it? It is, isn't it?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It get's even worse:

Terms Of Use on Pfizer website:

Medical Information. This Web site may contain general information relating to various medical conditions and their treatment. Such information is provided for informational purposes only and is not meant to be a substitute for advice provided by a doctor or other qualified health care professional. Patients should not use the information contained herein for diagnosing a health or fitness problem or disease. Patients should always consult with a doctor or other health care professional for medical advice or information about diagnosis and treatment.

Of course. Because its educational and not subject to the latest revision under revision control. Do you know how that works?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I guess in that case ALL medicines are cow, mice or chimp medicine. Also don't get you jab with a needle because - watch out, they're first tested on animals.

Did you actually read the link I gave you. Or do you just want to argue?

How long does it take to release an animal drug vs how long does it take to release human medicine, Einstein? It's typically 3 yrs vs 12 yrs on avg.

In this case they did it in ~9 years, not 12, it was so needed. The whole search, funding of billions was based upon a specific human need. Animal usage was a byproduct of the process.

Just answer the question:

In which year was Ivermectin approved for human use?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I get your point totally. Agree to an extent. However what's happened is that the anti-IVM crew have become so toxic that normal people sense the campaign as such, stop and start questioning. Nothing can conjure up things people think like they themselves. Do I believe IVM work? Yes, I had an encounter before we had vaccines. I was the only one to walk away without CovID. A few of my associates were in the same boat before and after. One got it mildly, no hospitalization needed. Am I saying people should not vaccinate? No. I was one of the first.

But then we also have people that cannot get the jab. Yet they are also attacked. The "toxic" environment I mentioned. It's reached a near religious frenzy.

Anecdotal. Not all react the same to Covid. How do you know it was due to Ivermectin at all?

 

[Howdy]

Just answer the question:

In which year was Ivermectin approved for human use?

Boo hoo ... you don't get to make the rules.

Anyway: Asked and answered. Reading with comprehension is a skill. Try it some time.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Boo hoo ... you don't get to make the rules.

Anyway: Asked and answered. Reading with comprehension is a skill. Try it some time.

I posted the date with two independent references. Are you right or am I? Is your reference from Yootchoob?

 

[Howdy]

Anecdotal. Not all react the same to Covid. How do you know it was due to Ivermectin at all?

Samajoor kakpraat - rokoff. Decent people are have a decent convo.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Samajoor kakpraat - rokoff. Decent people are have a decent convo.

Just answer the question. Why do you avoid all the simple questions?

 

[Howdy]

Just answer the question. Why do you avoid all the simple questions?

Because they've been answered, you're still parroting because you don't understand the answers.