Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

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TL;DR:
- first approved for human use in 1987
- essentially zero side effects when taken correctly, over three decades of data in human use with hundreds of millions of humans having taken it
- wide range of benefits in fighting many kinds of parasites

 

[greg0205]

I'll just unroll this twitter thread for y'all...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435663963715428352

an honest accounting of the saga would fully explain that it’s been chugging along in the background as a kook treatment for over a year, displaced hydroxycloroquine as king of designer covid treatments once the hydroxy bubble burst, & these pundits are way late to the game

this is not a knock on @MattGertz but on the other incomplete and/or half assed attempts that miss a lot of key context in favor of focusing on the delicate fee-fees of the folks taking it & pushing it

again, there’s a get-rich-quick mlm scheme at the heart of this thing consisting of a bunch of teledoc’s pushing scripts on a pills-for-pay system. not everyone promoting it has a cut of the action. there are a lot of clueless rubes just hoping to find their angle

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433623023593086982

the angle for most of the late-to-the-game promoters is strictly using it as an influencer tactic to maintain divide and signal allegiances. the angle for the early-to-the-game promoters is more likely to be actual cash flow

it is not a coincidence these favorite designer drugs tend to have minimal adverse symptoms unless grossly abused, have long been in abundant supply, largely used for obscure conditions, are not controlled substances, and are pretty far off the radar for the fda

they accomplish nothing therapeutically unless you have one of the obscure conditions they’re intended to treat, but they won’t kill your ass dead, and you need to pony up cash for a script to get them. normal docs won’t write those scripts, so presto! teledoc market

the gamestop stock shorting adventure is a really strong analog for ivermectin. only a handful of folks actually engineered the demand & made any money, a lot of pundits glommed on to cheerlead it despite knowing better than to invest in it themselves, and ordinary joes got hosed

the scheme engineers rely on the cheerleading (but non-invested) pundits to keep the hype train running. if you remove that element of kayfabe controversy, the juice fizzles out and the ordinary joes stop shoveling money at the snake oil

“hey why SHOULDN’T the ordinary joes try hydroxy/crypto/gamestop/ivermectin, huh??? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING BY TRYING TO DETER YOU, MR ORDINARY JOE?” meanwhile they’ve got their money in mutual funds & real estate & ran out to get the vaccine as soon as they could

dana loesch is not sitting around eating gelatinized beet residue. ben shapiro is not popping homeopathic caffeine pills. laura ingraham is not taking hydroxycloroquine, and tucker carlson is not sucking down ivermectin. that’s for their idiot audiences.

 

[tetrasect]

TL;DR:
- first approved for human use in 1987
- essentially zero side effects when taken correctly, over three decades of data in human use with hundreds of millions of humans having taken it
- wide range of benefits in fighting many kinds of parasites

Is this the correct way to take it?

 

[JohnStarr]

Well if they keep it up, and publish their stats somewhere else as well instead of only on Twitter we might be able to track the facts in the longer term.

But I am not surprised they picked up flack, given the similarities with the stats from some or other place in the World.

Why could they not have come up with their own representation, colours, etc?

I trust you are going to keep us up to date , given your love affair with Twitter?

I see MSM did not believe it either:



Now, why would he not want to comment further???

If the stats are genuine what not take the shine? Scared they will pick up more flack based on what happened the first time around?

A respected doctor gave his real life, experienced opinion on the state of Groote Schuur a couple of weeks ago and you were on him in a flash here to rubbish him and trash all he said.
When it doesn't follow the book of The World According to Geoff, then it's simply not true.

 

[buka001]

I'll just unroll this twitter thread for y'all...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435663963715428352

an honest accounting of the saga would fully explain that it’s been chugging along in the background as a kook treatment for over a year, displaced hydroxycloroquine as king of designer covid treatments once the hydroxy bubble burst, & these pundits are way late to the game

this is not a knock on @MattGertz but on the other incomplete and/or half assed attempts that miss a lot of key context in favor of focusing on the delicate fee-fees of the folks taking it & pushing it

again, there’s a get-rich-quick mlm scheme at the heart of this thing consisting of a bunch of teledoc’s pushing scripts on a pills-for-pay system. not everyone promoting it has a cut of the action. there are a lot of clueless rubes just hoping to find their angle

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433623023593086982

the angle for most of the late-to-the-game promoters is strictly using it as an influencer tactic to maintain divide and signal allegiances. the angle for the early-to-the-game promoters is more likely to be actual cash flow

it is not a coincidence these favorite designer drugs tend to have minimal adverse symptoms unless grossly abused, have long been in abundant supply, largely used for obscure conditions, are not controlled substances, and are pretty far off the radar for the fda

they accomplish nothing therapeutically unless you have one of the obscure conditions they’re intended to treat, but they won’t kill your ass dead, and you need to pony up cash for a script to get them. normal docs won’t write those scripts, so presto! teledoc market

the gamestop stock shorting adventure is a really strong analog for ivermectin. only a handful of folks actually engineered the demand & made any money, a lot of pundits glommed on to cheerlead it despite knowing better than to invest in it themselves, and ordinary joes got hosed

the scheme engineers rely on the cheerleading (but non-invested) pundits to keep the hype train running. if you remove that element of kayfabe controversy, the juice fizzles out and the ordinary joes stop shoveling money at the snake oil

“hey why SHOULDN’T the ordinary joes try hydroxy/crypto/gamestop/ivermectin, huh??? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING BY TRYING TO DETER YOU, MR ORDINARY JOE?” meanwhile they’ve got their money in mutual funds & real estate & ran out to get the vaccine as soon as they could

dana loesch is not sitting around eating gelatinized beet residue. ben shapiro is not popping homeopathic caffeine pills. laura ingraham is not taking hydroxycloroquine, and tucker carlson is not sucking down ivermectin. that’s for their idiot audiences.

Yip.

Seen some telegram chats. People pushing and selling big stocks of IVM in the USA. One guy importing to South Africa.

But tell me more about Big Pharma.

 

[SlinkyMike]

But bucket loads of patience and understanding dealing with people who have long gone lost faith in our govt.

You lot should try it some time. You might learn a thing or two.

LOL.

If you have ever had "faith" in any government you're a frikken dingbat. WTF LOL.

 

[JohnStarr]

Yip.

Seen some telegram chats. People pushing and selling big stocks of IVM in the USA. One guy importing to South Africa.

But tell me more about Big Pharma.

Big Pharma has created this. Big Pharma is bad because they have ALL (I mean every single pharmaceutical company in the world) not allowed this. All research papers that prove IVM isn't going to work are sponsored by Big Pharma and therefore false.
Big Pharma only wants to push vaccines (here: Let me help you find a seat for your vaccine <-- anecdotal). Nobody in Big Pharma has any morals hence IVM being seen as not working. Any doctor, pharmacist, researcher or specialist NOT pushing IVM is captured by Big Pharma. There are literally 1000s (just don't ask us for correct and verified numbers, we know!) of doctors using this.

In before the Big Pharma Bashers!

 

[kolaval]

interesting talk!
might have been posted here already.

They talk about ivermectim about 2:20:00 in.

 

[buka001]

Why did India remove Ivermectin as a treatment, if the IVM fan boys told me that it was the miracle cure that helped India?

Govt drops Ivermectin, HCQ and favipiravir from Covid-19 treatment list

The revised guidelines do not mention medicines such as zinc, multivitamins which were prescribed by the doctors for asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic Covid-19 cases.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[greg0205]

 

[SlinkyMike]

I'll just unroll this twitter thread for y'all...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435663963715428352

an honest accounting of the saga would fully explain that it’s been chugging along in the background as a kook treatment for over a year, displaced hydroxycloroquine as king of designer covid treatments once the hydroxy bubble burst, & these pundits are way late to the game

this is not a knock on @MattGertz but on the other incomplete and/or half assed attempts that miss a lot of key context in favor of focusing on the delicate fee-fees of the folks taking it & pushing it

again, there’s a get-rich-quick mlm scheme at the heart of this thing consisting of a bunch of teledoc’s pushing scripts on a pills-for-pay system. not everyone promoting it has a cut of the action. there are a lot of clueless rubes just hoping to find their angle

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433623023593086982

the angle for most of the late-to-the-game promoters is strictly using it as an influencer tactic to maintain divide and signal allegiances. the angle for the early-to-the-game promoters is more likely to be actual cash flow

it is not a coincidence these favorite designer drugs tend to have minimal adverse symptoms unless grossly abused, have long been in abundant supply, largely used for obscure conditions, are not controlled substances, and are pretty far off the radar for the fda

they accomplish nothing therapeutically unless you have one of the obscure conditions they’re intended to treat, but they won’t kill your ass dead, and you need to pony up cash for a script to get them. normal docs won’t write those scripts, so presto! teledoc market

the gamestop stock shorting adventure is a really strong analog for ivermectin. only a handful of folks actually engineered the demand & made any money, a lot of pundits glommed on to cheerlead it despite knowing better than to invest in it themselves, and ordinary joes got hosed

the scheme engineers rely on the cheerleading (but non-invested) pundits to keep the hype train running. if you remove that element of kayfabe controversy, the juice fizzles out and the ordinary joes stop shoveling money at the snake oil

“hey why SHOULDN’T the ordinary joes try hydroxy/crypto/gamestop/ivermectin, huh??? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING BY TRYING TO DETER YOU, MR ORDINARY JOE?” meanwhile they’ve got their money in mutual funds & real estate & ran out to get the vaccine as soon as they could

dana loesch is not sitting around eating gelatinized beet residue. ben shapiro is not popping homeopathic caffeine pills. laura ingraham is not taking hydroxycloroquine, and tucker carlson is not sucking down ivermectin. that’s for their idiot audiences.

Dude.

Vaccine: free.
IVM: $70 per at the time I last checked.

Who produces IVM? Merck. They were right, BIG PHARMA!!!111! is coining it!

Also bear in mind that Fox HQ has vaccine passports so Fscker Carlson and co. are all vaccinated no matter what they tell you idiots on a nightly basis.

It's a gold rush on gullible morons is all it is.

 

[greg0205]

Dude.

Vaccine: free.
IVM: $70 per at the time I last checked.

Who produces IVM? Merck. They were right, BIG PHARMA!!!111! is coining it!

Also bear in mind that Fox HQ has vaccine passports so Fscker Carlson and co. are all vaccinated no matter what they tell you idiots on a nightly basis.

It's a gold rush on gullible morons is all it is.

Yup.

I'm genuinely fascinated by IVM folks conjuring up dastardly connections between big pharma, and the MSM, and social media, all to suppress IVM.

But...

You literally take them by the hand and walk them through the actual grifting connections between America’s Frontline Doctors and SpeakWithAnMD and they're all like, 'nah, I don't see it.'

 

[Conack]

Yup.

I'm genuinely fascinated by IVM folks conjuring up dastardly connections between big pharma, and the MSM, and social media, all to suppress IVM.

But...

You literally take them by the hand and walk them through the actual grifting connections between America’s Frontline Doctors and SpeakWithAnMD and they're all like, 'nah, I don't see it.'

And yet, Ivermectin doesn't feature on Merck's financial results?

Merck Announces First-Quarter 2021 Financial Results - Merck.com

First-Quarter 2021 Sales Were $12.1 Billion, In-Line with First-Quarter 2020; Excluding the Impact from Foreign Exchange, Sales Declined 1% First-Quarter 2021 Sales Reflect Strong Underlying Performance of KEYTRUDA, Lynparza, BRIDION and Animal Health, Which Was Offset by COVID-19 Pandemic...

www.merck.com

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

- wide range of benefits in fighting many kinds of parasites

Does that include the host?

 

[JohnStarr]

Yup.

I'm genuinely fascinated by IVM folks conjuring up dastardly connections between big pharma, and the MSM, and social media, all to suppress IVM.

But...

You literally take them by the hand and walk them through the actual grifting connections between America’s Frontline Doctors and SpeakWithAnMD and they're all like, 'nah, I don't see it.'

They don't even see it locally. Apparently 1000s of doctors are using this as a treatment, but when you ask for proof they provide none and try turning it around on you.
I can also make up stories.

 

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Vaccine: free

you honestly believe that?!? someone is paying for it, it may be your government or your medical aid (and by extension you through your taxes or medical aid contributions), but it sure as shyte is NOT free

IVM: $70 per at the time I last checked

errr ... that's like a month or more supply, not "per"

Who produces IVM? Merck. They were right, BIG PHARMA!!!111! is coining it!

This is my favourite, completely idiotic, "counter" argument.

Big pharma company A only profits from product X and greatly so as X is hot off the press
Big pharma company B only profits from product Y and minimally so as Y has been widely available for decades
Big pharma company A badmouths the living hell out of product Y

but oh no, there can't be anything sinister about A's motives because B exists ...

 

[SlinkyMike]

Yup.

I'm genuinely fascinated by IVM folks conjuring up dastardly connections between big pharma, and the MSM, and social media, all to suppress IVM.

But...

You literally take them by the hand and walk them through the actual grifting connections between America’s Frontline Doctors and SpeakWithAnMD and they're all like, 'nah, I don't see it.'

It isn't about science, its tribalism and politics.

 

[greg0205]

It isn't about science, its tribalism and politics.

^ Exactly this.

 

[greg0205]

It isn't about science, its tribalism and politics.

Unrolling another twitter thread, this time from Max Burns, who lays it all out really well...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1431325799882317826

The whole Ivermectin mania shows the dangers of letting political ideology become the determining element of your character. These folks aren't opposed to taking medicine. No, just *Democratic* medicine. And they're willing to die to make their political point.

I spoke to a COVID anti-vaxxer who very patiently explained to me that she "researches the researchers" behind new medications to determine if they "have a record of donating to liberals and socialists," and that determines if she'll take the meds.

Note this woman was not an all-around anti-vaxxer. She and her children were vaccinated. When I asked about that, she says she "came late" to "knowing to always look behind what you're told" to find the secret liberals trying to control you.

It's funny - for a @GOP that rails against identity politics, their voters are now deciding if they'll take life-saving medication based almost entirely on the assumed political affiliations of the scientists developing it.

 

[Unhappy438]

The wheels are starting to come off for the ivermectin myth...

They were never on in the first place.