Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[Cosmik Debris]

TL;DR:
- first approved for human use in 1987
- essentially zero side effects when taken correctly, over three decades of data in human use with hundreds of millions of humans having taken it
- wide range of benefits in fighting many kinds of parasites

Correct. Approved for use as an anti parasitic, not as an anti viral. Same as Panado is approved for use as an analgesic, not an antibiotic.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I'll just unroll this twitter thread for y'all...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1435663963715428352

again, there’s a get-rich-quick mlm scheme at the heart of this thing consisting of a bunch of teledoc’s pushing scripts on a pills-for-pay system. not everyone promoting it has a cut of the action. there are a lot of clueless rubes just hoping to find their angle

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433623023593086982

the scheme engineers rely on the cheerleading (but non-invested) pundits to keep the hype train running. if you remove that element of kayfabe controversy, the juice fizzles out and the ordinary joes stop shoveling money at the snake oil

“hey why SHOULDN’T the ordinary joes try hydroxy/crypto/gamestop/ivermectin, huh??? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING BY TRYING TO DETER YOU, MR ORDINARY JOE?” meanwhile they’ve got their money in mutual funds & real estate & ran out to get the vaccine as soon as they could

dana loesch is not sitting around eating gelatinized beet residue. ben shapiro is not popping homeopathic caffeine pills. laura ingraham is not taking hydroxycloroquine, and tucker carlson is not sucking down ivermectin. that’s for their idiot audiences.

And the Ivermectin crowd decry big pharma as the culprit...

 

[SoldierMan]

Unrolling another twitter thread, this time from Max Burns, who lays it all out really well...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1431325799882317826

The whole Ivermectin mania shows the dangers of letting political ideology become the determining element of your character. These folks aren't opposed to taking medicine. No, just *Democratic* medicine. And they're willing to die to make their political point.

I spoke to a COVID anti-vaxxer who very patiently explained to me that she "researches the researchers" behind new medications to determine if they "have a record of donating to liberals and socialists," and that determines if she'll take the meds.

Note this woman was not an all-around anti-vaxxer. She and her children were vaccinated. When I asked about that, she says she "came late" to "knowing to always look behind what you're told" to find the secret liberals trying to control you.

It's funny - for a @GOP that rails against identity politics, their voters are now deciding if they'll take life-saving medication based almost entirely on the assumed political affiliations of the scientists developing it.

Painting an entire group of people with the same brush..... interesting approach.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Painting an entire group of people with the same brush..... interesting approach.

The irony is clearly lost on you...

 

[Geoff.D]

And yet, Ivermectin doesn't feature on Merck's financial results?

Merck Announces First-Quarter 2021 Financial Results - Merck.com

First-Quarter 2021 Sales Were $12.1 Billion, In-Line with First-Quarter 2020; Excluding the Impact from Foreign Exchange, Sales Declined 1% First-Quarter 2021 Sales Reflect Strong Underlying Performance of KEYTRUDA, Lynparza, BRIDION and Animal Health, Which Was Offset by COVID-19 Pandemic...

www.merck.com

You have to first find out what they call their products, then search, and then hopefully you might realise the size of the cash cow income they get from the drug they have tried their best to villify.

Here is a list of some of them:

Mectizan
SUPRAMEC
STROMECTOL
IVOTAN
RANGER
TRI-HEART® PLUS
SOLUTION® 3.5% LA


Each one will have to be checked to see what it is used for and which are for human use.
And this does not even list the sales of IVM in pure form to other companies who compound it into their own products.

 

[SoldierMan]

The irony is clearly lost on you...

Lol extrapolating one person's reasoning on medication to 76 million other people is just plain bonkers. But do explain the irony, I await.....

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Lol extrapolating one person's reasoning on medication to 76 million other people is just plain bonkers. But do explain the irony, I await.....

Look at Mr High IQ asking for explanations. If you need me to explain it to you, you're clearly not as smart as you think...

 

[SoldierMan]

Look at Mr High IQ asking for explanations. If you need me to explain it to you, you're clearly not as smart as you think...

No, I want YOUR explanation, to see how stupid it is.

 

[greg0205]

No, I want YOUR explanation, to see how stupid it is.

Mike is talking about you, GeeVee.

You paint entire groups of people with the same brush, and then throw out the accusation as if it's anything other than laughable coming from... You.

 

[SoldierMan]

Mike is talking about you, GeeVee.

You paint entire groups of people with the same brush, and then throw out the accusation as if it's anything other than laughable coming from... You.

Yes I get it But you took it to a whole new level. People who consider themselves Democrat have certain POLITICAL views that many have in common.

You took a single GOP person and extrapolated her MEDICAL views to 76 million other people. But you still won't see the difference.

 

[Geoff.D]

Mike is talking about you, GeeVee.

You paint entire groups of people with the same brush, and then throw out the accusation as if it's anything other than laughable coming from... You.

And you lot don't I suppose?. this thread is FULL of examples where the likes of CS, JS, buka001 paint everyone on the forum other than their clique with the same brush.

 

[ScrooV]

Let's hope next up is not a parasitic pandemic...
It would be a disaster hampered by shortage of parasitic drugs.
But I guess Geoff.D and co will snort hemorrhoid cream for that?

 

[semaphore]

All of our medical persons sorting queues were dressed in PPE, sanitising procedures rigidly adhered to. If someone got off their seat it was sanitised immediately. No person was allowed to assist with forms but medical personnel either. Sure way to get a mess.

Funny, I saw citizens helping each other where I went.

He made out as if he was medical personnel sorting the queue, not as if he was a citizen waiting in the queue. Dishonest as always.

No, he didn't. You are the one being dishonest here or you assumed wrongly.

 

[semaphore]

Yet you speak of me? The reason you won't acknowledge me is because I see right through you and call your BS out.

Sorry to be blunt, but as of late your only avenue of reasoning is "dus you has a qualifications?". It's boring.

 

[greg0205]

Yes I get it But you took it to a whole new level. People who consider themselves Democrat have certain POLITICAL views that many have in common.

You took a single GOP person and extrapolated her MEDICAL views to 76 million other people. But you still won't see the difference.

And you lot don't I suppose?. this thread is FULL of examples where the likes of CS, JS, buka001 paint everyone on the forum other than their clique with the same brush.

Pick the right thread, and MyBB is the tribal World Cup.

Me, just yesterday:

It gets tribal in here and I don't care much to demur when it does.

Mea culpa.

In the US, the figurehead of Operation Warp Speed was enough to give Democrats pause about the vaccine, yet take a peek over that border wall now and you'll see Dems begging Repubs to ignore their talking heads on Hydroxy or IVM (or whichever snake oil comes next, because when IVM blows up there will certainly be a next snake oil) and just take the goddamn vaccine.

Here we fight proxy wars...

Liberal and conservative.

Vax and antivax.

When you pull on one team's jersey and run out onto the MyBB field, you've picked a side... The other side don't care about the subtleties of the different roles the full-back or prop play, they're playing to beat the whole team.

I don't make the rules.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You have to first find out what they call their products, then search, and then hopefully you might realise the size of the cash cow income they get from the drug they have tried their best to villify.

Here is a list of some of them:

Mectizan
SUPRAMEC
STROMECTOL
IVOTAN
RANGER
TRI-HEART® PLUS
SOLUTION® 3.5% LA


Each one will have to be checked to see what it is used for and which are for human use.
And this does not even list the sales of IVM in pure form to other companies who compound it into their own products.

Whoa right there. You and @Swa were the ones claiming Ivermectin is not profitable but the vaccines were. The reason the vaccines were being promoted and Ivermectin was being downplayed by Big Pharma.

You've changed your tune now despite me saying that Ivermectin would be profitable to Big Pharma so why were they downplaying it?

Any answers for your about turn?

 

[PsyWulf]

Sorry to be blunt, but as of late your only avenue of reasoning is "dus you has a qualifications?". It's boring.

There's only so many ways to prove people are stupid without calling them stupid at least without reaching for a thesaurus

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Sorry to be blunt, but as of late your only avenue of reasoning is "dus you has a qualifications?". It's boring.

So, you're claiming Geoff, who has been caught lying many times just on this thread, is credible?

 

[JohnStarr]

And you lot don't I suppose?. this thread is FULL of examples where the likes of CS, JS, buka001 paint everyone on the forum other than their clique with the same brush.

Geoffy, I have no clique here. If I drove past you on the side of the road I wouldn't know who you are. Same with the rest of the OPs here.
You're just full of tears because, way back in Feb, I wouldn't side with you. And you took massive offence and put me on Ignore. I couldn't care less.
You get called out here regularily and yet continue to portray yourself as some form of professional. Go spend a day in a hospital helping real doctors and medical staff assist people fighting this virus and maybe then you'll get your head back into reality.

 

[JohnStarr]

While "pros" here push their IVM narrative and get very uppity and pissy because they're called out daily (jeez it must take it's online toll!), people are lining up to get the shot. Went to Clicks at Walmer Park today and there were at least 20 people in a queue to get the shot.
Continue throwing out study after study proving it works (all the while ignoring anything that says it doesn't)...people are getting the jab.