Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[NarrowBandFtw]

Correct. Approved for use as an anti parasitic, not as an anti viral. Same as Panado is approved for use as an analgesic, not an antibiotic.

and? once the debate is allowed to get to the point of discussing the actual benefits of IVM that distinction might matter

have a look at this very thread for how many are still stuck on the "horse medicine" train, debate can't happen when such idiocy is used to block meaningful conversation

 

[JohnStarr]

and? once the debate is allowed to get to the point of discussing the actual benefits of IVM that distinction might matter

have a look at this very thread for how many are still stuck on the "horse medicine" train, debate can't happen when such idiocy is used to block meaningful conversation

Dude, every time someone posts a link stating it has no benefit (which, ironically is the topic here, NOT its benefits) you lot raise your voices.
It either does or it doesn't. Let the experts decide. Not a bunch of pseudo-experts here stylized on the amount of time spent on Google during the day.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Dude, every time someone posts a link stating it has no benefit (which, ironically is the topic here, NOT its benefits) you lot raise your voices.
It either does or it doesn't. Let the experts decide. Not a bunch of pseudo-experts here stylized on the amount of time spent on Google during the day.

yeah and many links from experts have been posted that have a different conclusion, that it IS beneficial as a treatment for covid

yet here you are, pretending the experts only have one view ...

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

have a look at this very thread for how many are still stuck on the "horse medicine" train, debate can't happen when such idiocy is used to block meaningful conversation

Obviously people know that it's the human version. The horse pill thing is just mockery, and rightfully so.

Taking something for reasons other than it's intended purpose, and without the prerequisite approval, for whatever reason (be it political or conspiracy or whatever) should be laughed at. Any rational thinking human being would see it this way. Pointing towards laughable meta-analyses doesn't help either...

 

[JohnStarr]

yeah and many links from experts have been posted that have a different conclusion, that it IS beneficial as a treatment for covid

yet here you are, pretending the experts only have one view ...

No, but trust them to decide. Not a bunch of pseudo-scientists who attack doctors willy-nilly. And not only doctors but pharmacists and medical researchers who are of a differing opinion.
Having an opinion is 1 thing...stylizing yourself as an expert, sometimes claiming you don't need qualifications is another. That's starting to move out of the realm of reality.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Obviously people know that it's the human version. The horse pill thing is just mockery, and rightfully so

you may think so, you would be wrong, a horde of vax obsessed people who seek vindication of their personal choice and seek to enforce it upon everyone else ACTUALLY believe the horse angle

Taking something for reasons other than it's intended purpose, and without the prerequisite approval, for whatever reason (be it political or conspiracy or whatever) should be laughed at. Any rational thinking human being would see it this way. Pointing towards laughable meta-analyses doesn't help either...

and if you take that something with a doctors prescription following his medical advice? sound perfectly reasonable? because even THAT is being mocked here if you pay attention

 

[SoldierMan]

Correct. Approved for use as an anti parasitic, not as an anti viral. Same as Panado is approved for use as an analgesic, not an antibiotic.

What about Aspirin, which was made for pain relief, but is now being used as a blood thinner and for those at risk of heart attack and is even now recommended for those with Covid.

By your logic they should immediately stop the use of Aspirin for heart attack and Covid patients because it was made for headaches.....

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

yeah and many links from experts have been posted that have a different conclusion, that it IS beneficial as a treatment for covid

yet here you are, pretending the experts only have one view ...

If it had any benefits in treating covid, it would have been approved for use as a covid treatment. It has not. And this is where the political and conspiracy crap comes into it...

 

[SoldierMan]

Obviously people know that it's the human version. The horse pill thing is just mockery, and rightfully so.

Taking something for reasons other than it's intended purpose, and without the prerequisite approval, for whatever reason (be it political or conspiracy or whatever) should be laughed at. Any rational thinking human being would see it this way. Pointing towards laughable meta-analyses doesn't help either...

So no Aspirin for heart attack or Covid patients then? Only for pain? Better tell the world that they have screwed up and Mike says stop the madness of repurposing drugs!!!

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

If it had any benefits in treating covid, it would have been approved for use as a covid treatment. It has not. And this is where the political and conspiracy crap comes into it...

and there we go, "fahk the doctors that have proven success with it, I believe only what I'm told to believe"

pushing vaccine mandates in a world where the vaccine does not prevent spread must somehow sound like something other than politics to you, to anyone with a brain it is pure politics

if any existing drug had significant benefits in treating covid, but the governments and drug companies of the world already sunk TRILLIONS into developing a different cure, do you honestly believe that existing drug is going to be punted?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

and if you take that something with a doctors prescription following his medical advice? sound perfectly reasonable? because even THAT is being mocked here if you pay attention

I'm trying to look at this objectively. Even that is likely when the virus was a complete unknown. They had to prescribe something to help at least treat the symptoms. Then you also have to look at vaccine availability, and whether the patient was vaccinated or refused to be vaccinated prior to contracting the disease and seeing the doctor.

There are too many unknowns and circumstances beyond "a doctor prescribed it and therefore it must work". For the record, I've been prescribed incorrect medication in the past, requiring a second opinion. Others have too. Even GPs don't always get it right...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Even GPs don't always get it right...

and chemical engineers do?

 

[Nerfherder]

you may think so, you would be wrong, a horde of vax obsessed people who seek vindication of their personal choice and seek to enforce it upon everyone else ACTUALLY believe the horse angle


and if you take that something with a doctors prescription following his medical advice? sound perfectly reasonable? because even THAT is being mocked here if you pay attention

That is the issue here, and that is why people need to speak out.

The scientific consensus is that it is useless and there is no evidence for its use in covid cases. The majority of people are using it without the prescription or advice from an actual doctor who has examined them.
Many are taking it as a prophylaxis and getting it from the co-op. People should speak out against that.

The biggest call out here is that it can't actually be prescribed here so any doctor who is recommending it is doing so at risk of losing their licence.
It's just a bad idea to get involved with a situation like that.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

and there we go, "fahk the doctors that have proven success with it, I believe only what I'm told to believe"

pushing vaccine mandates in a world where the vaccine does not prevent spread must somehow sound like something other than politics to you, to anyone with a brain it is pure politics

if any existing drug had significant benefits in treating covid, but the governments and drug companies of the world already sunk TRILLIONS into developing a different cure, do you honestly believe that existing drug is going to be punted?

Nobody ever claimed that the vaccine prevents the spread. Just that it drastically reduces your chance of hospitalisation and death and mutating the thing.

You know this, it has been pointed out over and over again, yet here you are doing the same thing you're accusing others of spreading the horse narrative of doing - not listening and spreading misinformation...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The biggest call out here is that it can't actually be prescribed here so any doctor who is recommending it is doing so at risk of losing their licence

completely FALSE btw, where the hell did you get that from?!?

 

[Nerfherder]

I'm trying to look at this objectively. Even that is likely when the virus was a complete unknown. They had to prescribe something to help at least treat the symptoms. Then you also have to look at vaccine availability, and whether the patient was vaccinated or refused to be vaccinated prior to contracting the disease and seeing the doctor.

There are too many unknowns and circumstances beyond "a doctor prescribed it and therefore it must work". For the record, I've been prescribed incorrect medication in the past, requiring a second opinion. Others have too. Even GPs don't always get it right...

Its well known that many Gp's just prescribe anything just so the patient feels like they are getting something. Many people wont leave without a prescription.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Nobody ever claimed that the vaccine portents the spread. Just that it drastically reduces your chance of hospitalisation and death and mutating the thing.

You know this, it has been pointed out over and over again, yet here you are doing the same thing you're accusing others of spreading the horse narrative of doing - not listening and spreading misinformation...

missing the vaccine mandate angle on purpose there?

if it is SO well known and obvious and never even pretended otherwise that the vaccine cannot stop the spread ... why are there vaccine mandates at all?

 

[Nerfherder]

completely FALSE btw, where the hell did you get that from?!?

Its been posted a few times already - Health department sent out an official notice on it.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Its been posted a few times already - Health department sent out an official notice on it.

excellent, then point me at it, seeing as multiple ZA doctors have been on the damn TV news talking openly about how they treat patients with IVM and none of them have lost their medical licence

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

missing the vaccine mandate angle on purpose there?

if it is SO well known and obvious and never even pretended otherwise that the vaccine cannot stop the spread ... why are there vaccine mandates at all?

So that you lessen the chance of creating new mutations, and therefore rendering the vaccines less effective to those who did actually get it...