Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[NarrowBandFtw]

So that you lessen the chance of creating new mutations, and therefore rendering the vaccines less effective to those who did actually get it...

even though the vaccine itself is accelerating the mutations ... wow, excellent logic right there, we should actually have anti-vaccine mandates

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

even though the vaccine itself is accelerating the mutations ... wow, excellent logic right there, we should actually have anti-vaccine mandates

What's your source? That is complete BS...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What's your source? That is complete BS...

LOL, first time you've heard of ADE or immune escape?

if you were "objective" at all as you claim you would at least have one or two sources of info that is not just the official line right? do you?

 

[modern10]

What's your source? That is complete BS...

Source is Broscience

 

[PsyWulf]

even though the vaccine itself is accelerating the mutations ... wow, excellent logic right there, we should actually have anti-vaccine mandates

Again with the wholly misunderstanding of how vaccines work,and mutations
It's like you want to be humiliated

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What's your source? That is complete BS...

Source is Broscience

Immune evasion means we need a new COVID-19 social contract

The collective benefits of herd immunity have become similar to a mantra in mass vaccination strategies, repeated by governments and researchers. However, the prominence of herd immunity being touted as a solution to the pandemic might be about to change with the emergence of immune evasion, a...

www.thelancet.com

never heard The Lancet called "Broscience" before, but you do you, weld those blinkers to your eyesockets!

 

[buka001]

Geoffy, I have no clique here. If I drove past you on the side of the road I wouldn't know who you are. Same with the rest of the OPs here.
You're just full of tears because, way back in Feb, I wouldn't side with you. And you took massive offence and put me on Ignore. I couldn't care less.
You get called out here regularily and yet continue to portray yourself as some form of professional. Go spend a day in a hospital helping real doctors and medical staff assist people fighting this virus and maybe then you'll get your head back into reality.

Exactly,in other threads I have had serious disagreements with Cosmic for example.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Again with the wholly misunderstanding of how vaccines work,and mutations
It's like you want to be humiliated

Immune evasion means we need a new COVID-19 social contract

The collective benefits of herd immunity have become similar to a mantra in mass vaccination strategies, repeated by governments and researchers. However, the prominence of herd immunity being touted as a solution to the pandemic might be about to change with the emergence of immune evasion, a...

www.thelancet.com

tell me more about how little you understand

 

[JohnStarr]

yeah and many links from experts have been posted that have a different conclusion, that it IS beneficial as a treatment for covid

yet here you are, pretending the experts only have one view ...

Not at all...I've seen both sides and understand them both too. Common sense will prevail. Common sense in the medical field...not the pseudo-medical field.

 

[Nerfherder]

@NarrowBandFtw

COVID-19 Coronavirus - Ivermectin | South African Government

www.gov.za

• Ivermectin is registered in South Africa for the treatment of parasites in animals under the Fertilizers, Farm Feeds, Agricultural Remedies and Stock Remedies Act.
• There is currently no Ivermectin-containing medicines registered for human use in the country.
• The efficacy, safety and the appropriate dosage for the use of Ivermectin remains uncertain.
• The South African Health Regulatory Authority (SAHPRA) noted that the overall quality of clinical trials of Ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19 patients is poor.
• Until evidence that is more robust is available, the use of Ivermectin for COVID-19 cannot be justified.

Update on the use of ivermectin in the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 - SAHPRA

28 January 2021 The second wave of the COVID-19 epidemic in South Africa has put enormous pressure on all aspects of South Africa’s health system and on its communities. SAHPRA appreciates the frustration and pain experienced by healthcare practitioners, patients and families given the limited...

www.sahpra.org.za

On 25 January 2021 the National Essential Medicines Committee COVID-19 sub-committee released the results of a rapid review of ivermectin for the prevention of COVID-19 in which they concluded that “Overall, the benefits and the harms of ivermectin for prophylaxis of COVDI-19 remains uncertain. The committee further suggests that ivermectin not be used routinely for COVID-19 except in the context of a clinical trial”. The subcommittee also released the results of a rapid review of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 in which they concluded that “There is currently insufficient evidence to recommend ivermectin for the treatment of patients with COVID‐19.”

"Can only be used in a clinical trial"

We got a more recent communication from the HPCSA indicating that you could lose your licence if prescribing. Will have to hunt that down.

 

[JohnStarr]

and there we go, "fahk the doctors that have proven success with it, I believe only what I'm told to believe"

pushing vaccine mandates in a world where the vaccine does not prevent spread must somehow sound like something other than politics to you, to anyone with a brain it is pure politics

if any existing drug had significant benefits in treating covid, but the governments and drug companies of the world already sunk TRILLIONS into developing a different cure, do you honestly believe that existing drug is going to be punted?

Common anti-vaxxer position. BuT tHe VaCcInE dOeSn'T pReVeNt ThE sPrEaD. Whilst ignoring that nobody says that and that it's meant to prevent you ending up in hospital, possibly ventilated after saying goodbye to your family.
How will IVM prevent the spread since you're on that side? Or what, in your qualified opinion, should be done by the real qualified people?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Common anti-vaxxer position. BuT tHe VaCcInE dOeSn'T pReVeNt ThE sPrEaD. Whilst ignoring that nobody says that and that it's meant to prevent you ending up in hospital, possibly ventilated after saying goodbye to your family.
How will IVM prevent the spread since you're on that side? Or what, in your qualified opinion, should be done by the real qualified people?

also ignoring the fact that I specifically highlight mandates

 

[PsyWulf]

Its like narrow believes condoms and birthcontrol pills are useless since they aren't 100% effective at preventing the spread of babies
Just stop using them guys they are effectively useless,the pro has spoken!

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

@NarrowBandFtw

COVID-19 Coronavirus - Ivermectin | South African Government

www.gov.za

Update on the use of ivermectin in the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 - SAHPRA

28 January 2021 The second wave of the COVID-19 epidemic in South Africa has put enormous pressure on all aspects of South Africa’s health system and on its communities. SAHPRA appreciates the frustration and pain experienced by healthcare practitioners, patients and families given the limited...

www.sahpra.org.za

"Can only be used in a clinical trial"

We got a more recent communication from the HPCSA indicating that you could lose your licence if prescribing. Will have to hunt that down.

they "suggest" only used in clinical trial, both those links talk about guidance and suggestions not laws or mandates, nobody loses a licence when they don't follow "suggestions"

so yeah that other source might be different, these mean nothing

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Its like narrow believes condoms and birthcontrol pills are useless since they aren't 100% effective at preventing the spread of babies
Just stop using them guys they are effectively useless,the pro has spoken!

wow you really show a lack of intelligence more and more, please don't stop, looking forward to the next episode of your wilful ignorance

do we have any companies forcing people to use either condoms or birth control pills? has anyone lost a job or been denied a service when they choose not to use them?

no? oh dear, seems you were putting up a straw man, it burns so brightly

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

LOL, first time you've heard of ADE or immune escape?

if you were "objective" at all as you claim you would at least have one or two sources of info that is not just the official line right? do you?

All the facts and sources pertaining to your line of argument:

Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 virus began mutating prior to mass vaccine rollouts

SARS-CoV-2 variants are not caused by vaccines and numerous Variants of Concern (VOC) were detected prior to mass rollouts of vaccines, despite suggestions to the contrary online.

www.reuters.com

Your turn...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

All the facts and sources pertaining to your line of argument:

Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 virus began mutating prior to mass vaccine rollouts

SARS-CoV-2 variants are not caused by vaccines and numerous Variants of Concern (VOC) were detected prior to mass rollouts of vaccines, despite suggestions to the contrary online.

www.reuters.com

Your turn...

a fact check article is about as useful as a f-ing wikipedia article

no, not my turn, I gave you a Lancet paper, don't come here with your McDonald's version of the truth

 

[PsyWulf]

wow you really show a lack of intelligence more and more, please don't stop, looking forward to the next episode of your wilful ignorance

do we have any companies forcing people to use either condoms or birth control pills? has anyone lost a job or been denied a service when they choose not to use them?

no? oh dear, seems you were putting up a straw man, it burns so brightly

Oh wooow hurt right in the feels

Didn't really answer the question try to stay on topic there chief,though I didn't expect much other than deflectionary pseudolectualism from you - past experience has proven you wholly incapable.

Again,viruses are not bacteria and vaccines are not drugs. Resistance isn't a thing so reactionary mutation is also not a thing.

Mutation is undirected and accidental,the prevailance of particular traits only propagates if it helps it procreate better than its competition. So in fact having a longer duration worse illness than the fully vaccinated crowd is in fact more likely to allow a mutant to procreate purely by volume of viral load amplifying chances at a mutation.

Holy crap man get an education.

 

[JohnStarr]

also ignoring the fact that I specifically highlight mandates

What? It's so vague.
What trillions are you talking about? Trillions in ZAR? USD? Zim $? Which currency? I highly, massively doubt that any company has sunk trillions into research for a single drug. So, either hugely overinflated in order to appear overly dramatic, or you don't understand numbers.

 

[Nerfherder]

they "suggest" only used in clinical trial, both those links talk about guidance and suggestions not laws or mandates, nobody loses a licence when they don't follow "suggestions"

so yeah that other source might be different, these mean nothing

You have completely misread the tone of either of those releases.

In the medical world when you use terms like "poor evidence" and "not recommended" it means when you get sued it will count against you that you did use it.