Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

Geoff.D

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5.56 Billion shots have already been administered in what is arguably the most hyper-analysed vaccine roll-out in human history.

No reporting on new infections, hospitalisations or deaths that I've seen have given me a moment's pause about my decision to jump in the queue for those Pfizer shots just as soon as I could.
Sure, not saying that the vaccines are not effective. What is clear is that the vaccines are not as effective as the designers believed they would be. If they were, there would be no talk of boosters. And as soon as those boosters are approved and start to be used the current vaccines will become snake oil and won't be used anymore.
Besides 5.6 billion shots will help absolutely nothing IF tomorrow a serious issue surfaces that lead to them being abandoned. Just keep that in mind. NOTHING is ever guaranteed. We do not know what the future holds.
 

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Oh my fckn god!

On 28 July 2021, the podcast War Room: Pandemic, hosted by Steve Bannon, published this video interview with molecular biologist Robert Malone, a former researcher at the Salk Institute. The video was widely shared on social media platforms, receiving more than 25,000 interactions on Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, and Twitter (see examples here, here, here, and here)

Both Bannon and Malone have previously spread misinformation on COVID-19 vaccines. In November 2020, Twitter permanently suspended Bannon after he suggested that certain U.S. officials like Anthony Fauci should be beheaded, violating the platform’s policies against the “glorification of violence”. YouTube later removed the podcast’s channel in January 2021 for violating the platform’s policies on misinformation.

During the interview, one of the primary claims made by Malone is that COVID-19 vaccination will make SARS-CoV-2 more dangerous due to a mechanism called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ADE occurs when antibodies don’t block a virus from infecting cells, but instead improve its ability to infect cells. This phenomenon increases the risk that individuals with preexisting antibodies from previous natural infection or vaccination develop more severe disease when exposed again to the virus.

Claims that COVID-19 vaccines would cause ADE started circulating on social media platforms early in the pandemic. Such claims are baseless and actually contradict scientific evidence, as we explain below.

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Mike Hoxbig

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Oh my fckn god!



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Don't come here with your McDonald's sources... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
 

Geoff.D

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So can we get back to on-topic? Take all this stuff about vaccines to any of the vaccine threads, please.
 

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and? once the debate is allowed to get to the point of discussing the actual benefits of IVM that distinction might matter

have a look at this very thread for how many are still stuck on the "horse medicine" train, debate can't happen when such idiocy is used to block meaningful conversation

The title of this thread is that the balance of evidence shows Ivermectin is ineffective. The medical profession says it has no benefits as an anti viral while being and essential medicine as an anti parasitic.

Now stop trying to promote it as an anti viral.
 

Cosmik Debris

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yeah and many links from experts have been posted that have a different conclusion, that it IS beneficial as a treatment for covid

yet here you are, pretending the experts only have one view ...

The WHO, FDA and DCD have one voice. Your Yootchoob and Google experts don't.
 

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The WHO, FDA and DCD have one voice. Your Yootchoob and Google experts don't.
you must've meant the CDC

now for your next trick, tell me what else they all have in common ... I truly hope you're not gullible enough to believe those are three entirely independent institutions ...
 

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What about Aspirin, which was made for pain relief, but is now being used as a blood thinner and for those at risk of heart attack and is even now recommended for those with Covid.

By your logic they should immediately stop the use of Aspirin for heart attack and Covid patients because it was made for headaches.....

Aspirin has long been approved and used as both a blood thinner and analgesic. That is not new. Now you say a medicine can't be approved for more than one use?.

Hell, Viagra will raise your blood pressure and give you an erection. Depends which one you want then the other is a side effect.
 

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So no Aspirin for heart attack or Covid patients then? Only for pain? Better tell the world that they have screwed up and Mike says stop the madness of repurposing drugs!!!

You're showing your ignorance of the use of pharmacological drugs. And it's very telling...
 

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They haven't proven success. To do so requires trials. Double blind and documented. Not Jan around the corner got better.
horseshyte, if the accepted trial method was the only method ever than can prove anything in the medical profession we're in deep kak, seeing as none of the vaccines have undergone the typical long term (5yr plus) trials

when a qualified medical doctor treats 100's of patients with the same regimen and records better results than the standard regimen they have proven success, end of story
 

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Aspirin has long been approved and used as both a blood thinner and analgesic. That is not new. Now you say a medicine can't be approved for more than one use?.

No, it is YOU lot who are saying that a medicine can't be approved for more than one use. What is this the Twilight Zone??
 

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missing the vaccine mandate angle on purpose there?

if it is SO well known and obvious and never even pretended otherwise that the vaccine cannot stop the spread ... why are there vaccine mandates at all?

vaccines do not stop the spread with other vaccines too. They prevent the vaccinated getting the disease. You're displaying your complete ignorance about vaccine.
 

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excellent, then point me at it, seeing as multiple ZA doctors have been on the damn TV news talking openly about how they treat patients with IVM and none of them have lost their medical licence

I watch the TV news to see what propaganda is being spread by government. I have never see anyone on the news claiming to cure Covid with Ivermectin. I'm calling BS on your claim.
 
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