Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[Cosmik Debris]

So? Then it is the same as the vaccines! What is the problem? It has NO adverse effects to worry about either. IVM is therefore maybe even better than the worst of the vaccines. No, I will rather wait for the3/4 trials underway at the moment and see what they have to say for themselves. Sitting on the fence is not mu style.

So, why did you get vaxxed then?

 

[PsyWulf]

So? Then it is the same as the vaccines! What is the problem? It has NO adverse effects to worry about either. IVM is therefore maybe even better than the worst of the vaccines. No, I will rather wait for the3/4 trials underway at the moment and see what they have to say for themselves. Sitting on the fence is not mu style.

While it's not bad in itself necessarily,it is
1) not as good as an actual vaccine which is confirmed to actually do a thing
2) touted as an alternative by irresponsible parties spreading misinformation at worst,and at best plain nonsense of no benefit to anyone - such as yourself

I could ask for a script for ketchup and ice water and hope for the best,it won't hurt right?
Sure - as long as you actually use the stuff that's proven by actual er,science,to work too then taking skittles for covid(Iverderpdin) is fine - if it doesn't actually have side effects

 

[quovadis]

So? Then it is the same as the vaccines! What is the problem? It has NO adverse effects to worry about either. IVM is therefore maybe even better than the worst of the vaccines. No, I will rather wait for the 3/4 trials underway at the moment and see what they have to say for themselves. Sitting on the fence is not my style.

Lol. Logic failure since your opinion is based on poor and minimal data of around 2000 participants vs studies of 50,000+ each with much higher quality and review. There are adverse effects for on-label Ivermectin - are you seriously going to claim now that there are NO adverse effects?

 

[semaphore]

So, why did you get vaxxed then?

He didn’t.

 

[Geoff.D]

NO adverse effects?

Complete what I said, NO adverse effects that matter

 

[Geoff.D]

He didn’t.

Who didn't what?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

He didn’t.

Geoff claims he did. He even claims to have helped out in the vax que.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Who didn't what?

Are you vaxxed?

 

[quovadis]

Complete what I said, NO adverse effects that matter

It has NO adverse effects to worry about either.

Besides the obvious... "blurred vision, postural hypotension and confusion" is nothing to worry about...

 

[Geoff.D]

Here is a pubmed article:

Effect of ivermectin on male fertility and its interaction with P-glycoprotein inhibitor (verapamil) in rats - PubMed

Administration of permeability-glycoprotein (Pgp) inhibitors can modify the pharmacological properties or induce toxic effects of Pgp substrates. The effects of administration of ivermectin (anthelmentic drug, Pgp substrate), either alone or simultaneously with verapamil (Pgp inhibitor) on male...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Should post the complete conclusion and warning:

We concluded that ivermectin has slight effects on male fertility, but when taken with verapamil induced adverse effects on meiosis and fertility.

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In other words an advisory of the risk of taking IVM together with Verapamil.
And the study was done in rats - not humans

 

[Geoff.D]

Besides the obvious... "blurred vision, postural hypotension and confusion" is nothing to worry about...

Because it clears up very soon after treatment stops and has no permanent effects.

Drinking alcohol (which is legal) causes "blurred vision, hypotension in some certainly causes confusion" but also clears up after the body clears alcohol out of the system. Is that a big deal too?

As usual, clutching at straws looking for safety reasons that don't exist. What a tiresome lot you all are.

 

[Brian_G]

Are you vaxxed?

He only sees you when you're being quoted. Last I heard he isn't vaxxed and made it clear he has health reasons. Nothing personal but you seem confused quite a bit of late.

 

[Geoff.D]

How about the side effects for "an approved Covid 19 drug", for comparison you understand?

Remdevisir:

Warnings​

Remdesivir is for use only in people with COVID-19 who are in a hospital. You must remain under the care of a doctor while receiving remdesivir.

Ie. MUST remain under the care of a doctor --- while being treated - IVM on the other hand is perfectly safe for outpatient treatment and is even sold OTC all over the World except of course in our backward country.

Remdevisir is not at all suitable for patients who have liver disease or kidney disease. - there are NP such warnings associated with IVM.

Recorded allergic reactions to Remdevisir:

Get emergency medical help if you have signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficult breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.

The side effects and this list is not complete:

• severe headache, pounding in your neck or ears;
• fast, slow, or pounding heartbeats;
• wheezing, trouble breathing;
• swelling in your face;
• nausea;
• fever, chills, or shivering;
• itching, sweating; or
• a light-headed feeling, like you might pass out;

Common side effects may include:

• nausea; or
• abnormal liver function tests.

This is an approved treatment for Covid 19 !

Yet you are worried about things most experience everytime they get drunk? Better support the permanent ban of booze also.

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are!

 

[quovadis]

Because it clears up very soon after treatment stops and has no permanent effects.

Drinking alcohol (which is legal) causes "blurred vision, hypotension in some certainly causes confusion" but also clears up after the body clears alcohol out of the system. Is that a big deal too?

As usual, clutching at straws looking for safety reasons that don't exist. What a tiresome lot you all are.

Lol. Ok Doc, false equivalency of immense proportion there. Let’s add arthralgia/synovitis (9.3%), axillary lymph node enlargement and tenderness (11.0% and 4.4%, respectively), cervical lymph node enlargement and tenderness (5.3% and 1.2%, respectively), inguinal lymph node enlargement and tenderness (12.6% and 13.9%, respectively), other lymph node enlargement and tenderness (3.0% and 1.9%, respectively), pruritus (27.5%), skin involvement including edema, papular and pustular or frank urticarial rash (22.7%), and fever (22.6%).

 

[quovadis]

How about the side effects for "an approved Covid 19 drug", for comparison you understand?

What is your point? Did I say there were no side effects to drugs? Nope, you did.

 

[Geoff.D]

He only sees you when you're being quoted. Last I heard he isn't vaxxed and made it clear he has health reasons. Nothing personal but you seem confused quite a bit of late.

Thanks Brian, So it is CD at it again? Displaying his almost useless ability to read and comprehend is he?

Inform him please that i helped 30 + people get their two-dose of Pfizer by providing transport support and sitting in queues with them in a disgusting public clinic for 5 hours at a time supporting 4 people per session.

 

[Brian_G]

Thanks Brian, So it is CD at it again? Displaying his almost useless ability to read and comprehend is he?

Inform him please that i helped 30 + people get their two-dose of Pfizer by providing transport support and sitting in queues with them in a disgusting public clinic for 5 hours at a time supporting 4 people per session.

Sure.
Looks like he went to bed, but I'm sure he'll "address you" as usual tomorrow when he sees this.

And I'm gone again in 60 secs......

 

[Wary GOM]

Should post the complete conclusion and warning:


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In other words an advisory of the risk of taking IVM together with Verapamil.
And the study was done in rats - not humans

Hey come one folks: rats are much smarter and more capable of surviving environmental change than humans. Don't underestimate them! {Joke!}

 

[Daveogg]

In all fairness, just as I have seen very few adverse reactions to a covid vaccine, apart from the infamous family who took a massive overdose of IVM, I have not see any patients with adverse reactions to IVM, and we know our community is using IVM for prophylaxis and treatment.

BUT the reality is a number of people are using IVM as "prophylaxis" or plan to use it if infected, and use that as a justification to not get vaccinated. Another case today of an ICU patient now on ECMO in this exact situation. This is the real "side effect" of IVM.

 

[Wary GOM]

This thread has now reached nearly one-quarter of a million pages. Shouldn't we by now be beyond the "he said; she didn't" stage? let's get hard numbers and try to provide facts rather than opinions to provide rational debate and assistance for making decisions. [Apologies: that sounds a bit like pontificating, but following the thread regularly is becoming repetitious.]