Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[Geoff.D]

In all fairness, just as I have seen very few adverse reactions to a covid vaccine, apart from the infamous family who took a massive overdose of IVM, I have not see any patients with adverse reactions to IVM, and we know our community is using IVM for prophylaxis and treatment.

BUT the reality is a number of people are using IVM as "prophylaxis" or plan to use it if infected, and use that as a justification to not get vaccinated. Another case today of an ICU patient now on ECMO in this exact situation. This is the real "side effect" of IVM.

There is, unfortunately, no pill that I know of that can treat stupidity.

 

[Geoff.D]

This thread has now reached nearly one-quarter of a million pages. Shouldn't we by now be beyond the "he said; she didn't" stage? let's get hard numbers and try to provide facts rather than opinions to provide rational debate and assistance for making decisions. [Apologies: that sounds a bit like pontificating, but following the thread regularly is becoming repetitious.]

No, you are quite right. but every time someone tries to post "new" information that has surfaced, the rubbish start all over again. Rational debate requires rationality amongst all those involved, and unfortunately, on the one side we have an almost total lack of it. I think I have reached the end of my tether. I am going to join RonSwanson and disengage.

The Afrikaans saying seems appropriate as a fare well to the idiots on this thread.

Meng jou met die semels, dan vreet die varke jou op.

Gone!

 

[Wary GOM]

Hmmmmm! My arithmetic is worse than the medical professionals' statistics! Anyway 248 pages of comments.

 

[tetrasect]

This thread has now reached nearly one-quarter of a million pages. Shouldn't we by now be beyond the "he said; she didn't" stage? let's get hard numbers and try to provide facts rather than opinions to provide rational debate and assistance for making decisions. [Apologies: that sounds a bit like pontificating, but following the thread regularly is becoming repetitious.]

Huh? What counting method do you use?

 

[Brian_G]

In all fairness, just as I have seen very few adverse reactions to a covid vaccine, apart from the infamous family who took a massive overdose of IVM, I have not see any patients with adverse reactions to IVM, and we know our community is using IVM for prophylaxis and treatment.

Good to hear. Unfortunately, in this thread it will fall on deaf ears and the same debate will start again soon enough.

BUT the reality is a number of people are using IVM as "prophylaxis" or plan to use it if infected, and use that as a justification to not get vaccinated. Another case today of an ICU patient now on ECMO in this exact situation. This is the real "side effect" of IVM.

You say another case - how many cases would you attribute to this situation in the covid period?

Also there's a few more questions if you have the time, TIA.

Could we not say the same for the jab? It's certainly not stopping everyone from getting badly sick, nor is IVM claimed to.

What of my situation - although the jab is a no-no anyway to some of us in my family, I couldn't have it anyway for health reasons. Therefore I see no harm in trying to have some protection, although a low risk I might as well use relatively safe options.

BTW, I'm under trusted pharmasists' advice.


@Cosmik Debris , not looking for your usual added input, but I guess you won't be able to resist.

 

[The_MAC]

i'm saying this as a Rogan fan.

He is being silly here. He took a bunch of stuff and was fine after 3-5 days. There is nothing really to get excited about, its a singular data point.
I took nothing and was "cured" after 3 days.

Anyway.. i'm bored of this now.

Please get vaccinated and don't get IVM from the vet. If you have faith in it please participate in one of the trials so the data can be collected correctly.

For those thinking that IVM is the way to end the pandemic... how will that work ? How will we supply 8 billion people with a steady flow of IVM for the rest of their lives ?
Surely it just makes sense to vaccinate 70% of the world ?

There is a hillerious Rogan video doing the rounds, of a guy with a horse mask going mental, picking up weights, I got it on whatsapp, but don't know how to post it

 

[Brian_G]

There is a hillerious video doing the rounds, of a guy with a horse mask going mental, picking up weights, I got it on whatsapp, but don't know how to post it

Try to find it on youtube with a brief description also in the search line, they're often there as well.

 

[The_MAC]

Try to find it on youtube with a brief description also in the search line, they're often there as well.

Tried searching furiously to no avail

 

[Wary GOM]

Huh? What counting method do you use?

I did apologise, but probably the same sort politicians use when putting a spin on "facts".

 

[Brian_G]

Tried searching furiously to no avail

Alex Jones maybe?

Here's another one a few pages back, maybe similar enough: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...enefit-against-covid-19.1144669/post-28009106

 

[The_MAC]

Alex Jones maybe?

Here's another one a few pages back, maybe similar enough: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...enefit-against-covid-19.1144669/post-28009106

Unfortunately not, I had a good laugh though

It's a bodybuilder with a horse mask, going mental with a barbell, kicking a Pfizer ball with Rogan in the background talking.

 

[tetrasect]

Unfortunately not, I had a good laugh though

It's a bodybuilder with a horse mask, going mental with a barbell, kicking a Pfizer ball with Rogan in the background talking.

This guy?

 

[The_MAC]

This guy?

That's it

But there is a Rogan version

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Should post the complete conclusion and warning:


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In other words an advisory of the risk of taking IVM together with Verapamil.
And the study was done in rats - not humans

Rats are the standard test base for medicine as their reactions are close to human. Only after rats does the test go to human. Statistically you can expect a very similar reaction in humans. You're once again demonstrating your lack of knowledge of medical research that you feel qualified to comment on...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

He only sees you when you're being quoted. Last I heard he isn't vaxxed and made it clear he has health reasons. Nothing personal but you seem confused quite a bit of late.

So he drowns out other persons to push his agenda? Highly scientific that. /s

And you say I'm the confused one?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

How about the side effects for "an approved Covid 19 drug", for comparison you understand?

Remdevisir:

Ie. MUST remain under the care of a doctor --- while being treated - IVM on the other hand is perfectly safe for outpatient treatment and is even sold OTC all over the World except of course in our backward country.

Remdevisir is not at all suitable for patients who have liver disease or kidney disease. - there are NP such warnings associated with IVM.

Recorded allergic reactions to Remdevisir:

The side effects and this list is not complete:



This is an approved treatment for Covid 19 !

Yet you are worried about things most experience everytime they get drunk? Better support the permanent ban of booze also.

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are!

You're showing your abysmal knowledge of pharmacology. All substances on Earth are poison and have side effects. Drinking enough water will kill you. The possibility of death from a substance is known as the LD 50 level. You need a lot of water and only a little cyanide to kill you.

The use of a drug causes greater alleviation of the effects of a disease than symptoms of the poisoning. The reason for drug scheduling. Thalidomide is great for cancer and leprosy treatment but not in pregnant women.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Thanks Brian, So it is CD at it again? Displaying his almost useless ability to read and comprehend is he?

Inform him please that i helped 30 + people get their two-dose of Pfizer by providing transport support and sitting in queues with them in a disgusting public clinic for 5 hours at a time supporting 4 people per session.

Shows your bias. How do you know I have a useless ability to read and comprehend when you refuse to read?

 

[Brian_G]

So he drowns out other persons to push his agenda? Highly scientific that. /s

And you say I'm the confused one?

Huh...? Many people just filter out those who tend to troll.

I guess those who carry on that way won't get that...

 

[PsyWulf]

The use of a drug causes greater alleviation of the effects of a disease than symptoms of the poisoning. The reason for drug scheduling.

Lithium's another good example

 

[Cosmik Debris]

This thread has now reached nearly one-quarter of a million pages. Shouldn't we by now be beyond the "he said; she didn't" stage? let's get hard numbers and try to provide facts rather than opinions to provide rational debate and assistance for making decisions. [Apologies: that sounds a bit like pontificating, but following the thread regularly is becoming repetitious.]

It goes round in circles due to people that have no medical research qualifications trying to justify Ivermectin.