Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[Sensorei]

Strange.

The Cochrane meta analysis for Ivermectin showed insufficient evidence to support the claim that it has any benefit.

What "enough evidence" is there, if the meta shows the opposite of this qualitative statement from you?

I see the cochrane meta analysis was funded by the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research.

The Federal Ministry of Education and Research has a major sponsorship partnership with none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Huge conflict of interest.




The Federal Ministry of Education and Research gave Germany's biggest vaccine contract to BioNtech who's main sponsor is again the B & M Gates foundation who profited $550 Million so far off that vaccine. Bill has has admitted making $200 billion from investments made by his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in vaccines.




Co-Author of the meta analysis, Miriam Stegemann works for Charite University in Berlin. Who are their primary funders. Big surprise, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. A trustworthy meta analysis? Yea right...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Nope. An update.

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[tetrasect]

The Federal Ministry of Education and Research gave Germany's biggest vaccine contract to BioNtech who's main sponsor is again the B & M Gates foundation who profited $550 Million so far off that vaccine. Bill has has admitted making $200 billion from investments made by his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in vaccines.

Don't talk kak. How does donating money to vaccine development equal "making 200 billion" profit?

 

[SoldierMan]

Short clip of Joe Rogan, Heather Heying and Brett Weinstein on Joe taking Ivermectin.

Touching on ivermectin, Heying told Rogan’s audience, “It’s literally understood to have antibacterial and antiviral qualities and works against a lot of other RNA viruses like Zika and Dengue and Yellow Fever and no one is talking about that.”

 

[Dave]

Heather Heying and Brett Weinstein on Joe taking Ivermectin.

We can always rely on our little SoldierBoy to find the crazies…

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Weinstein has made several public appearances advocating the use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin to prevent or treat the disease and downplaying the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines. David Gorski, in Science-Based Medicine, described Weinstein as a prominent "COVID-19 contrarian and spreader of disinformation".[5] Weinstein made baseless claims that the drug can prevent or treat COVID-19,[5][45] claims for which there is no good evidence.[46][47][48] Weinstein hosted ivermectin advocate Pierre Kory on his DarkHorse podcast to discuss the drug,[49][7] and promoted ivermectin on other podcast and television news appearances.[50][51] Weinstein took ivermectin during a livestream video and said both he and his wife had not been vaccinated because of their fears concerning COVID-19 vaccines.[52] YouTubedemonetized the couple's channels in response to their claims about ivermectin. Afterward, Weinstein and Heying moved their subsequent broadcasts to the alternative/fringe video sharing platform Odysee.[49] In August of 2021, Weinstein said he had misstated that a study had shown a 100% effective ivermectin protocol for the prevention of COVID.[46][53] Weinstein considers himself a supporter of vaccines in general; he believes mRNA vaccines have promise despite what he claims are "some clear design flaws".[37] Weinstein has falsely claimed that the spike protein produced by or contained within COVID-19 vaccines is "very dangerous" and "cytotoxic".[54][55][56]

The locus of the ivermectin/IDW crossover appears to be the DarkHorse podcast, hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. The two are a married couple who both taught biology at Evergreen State College

After their resignations, Weinstein and Heying entered the opinion business full-time and with both feet. They began promoting ivermectin this spring, and interviewed Kory on their podcast in early June. Kory claimed that public health bodies are ignoring the potential uses of ivermectin in the fight against COVID-19, perhaps deliberately. Striking the same conspiratorial tone that often arises in conjunction with flimsy medical claims, he speculated that a World Health Organization committee was “told they can’t come out of that room with a recommendation” for ivermectin. Kory and Weinstein both agreed that COVID-19 vaccines are being promoted at the expense of other treatments, seemingly for the benefit of the same sinister Theys whom, they imply, control the WHO and other health agencies. Another podcast featured Weinstein literally taking ivermectin on air. “We are not going to make any recommendations as to what you should do,” Weinstein said, shortly before downing the drug. “And we are not going to say anything conclusive about what the data say, because the data are not themselves conclusive.

Why Is the Intellectual Dark Web Suddenly Hyping Ivermectin?

Even as scientists study a drug used to deworm dogs as a COVID treatment, the loudest people online claim it's a miracle cure, and that inquiry into it is being suppressed.

www.vice.com

 

[Sensorei]

Yes that wasn't worded correctly. There was a 20x return on his $10 billion investment in vaccines. Profits comes from markup to manufacturing cost. Gates doesn't need any more money personally. He is the #1 private funder of Big Pharma and his "investments" do go to helping people obviously.

But in the big picture where the profit's go are decided by his biotech and big pharma partners, where he has great influence who are 100% about profit. Big Pharma ultimately decides what drugs are pushed through FDA approval as they fund the studies.

The covid-19 drug remdesivir which is used in South African hospitals costs more than R10K per treatment with the generic drug, but costs about R175 to make. In the USA you can pay $4000 for the same course than costs $10 to make. Yet it provides little to no reduction in mortality rate, only improves recovery time and has much worse side effects than ivermectin. A little bit fishy.

 

[Sensorei]

We can always rely on our little SoldierBoy to find the crazies…

Why Is the Intellectual Dark Web Suddenly Hyping Ivermectin?

Even as scientists study a drug used to deworm dogs as a COVID treatment, the loudest people online claim it's a miracle cure, and that inquiry into it is being suppressed.

www.vice.com

Because Vice and Wikipedia is overflowing with indisputable scientifically correct information right...

The only data one can trust on drug efficacy is directly from clinical studies without questionable funding. Not mainstream media thanks.

 

[SoldierMan]

We can always rely on our little SoldierBoy to find the crazies…

Why Is the Intellectual Dark Web Suddenly Hyping Ivermectin?

Even as scientists study a drug used to deworm dogs as a COVID treatment, the loudest people online claim it's a miracle cure, and that inquiry into it is being suppressed.

www.vice.com

So what you're saying is that IVM is not effective against other RNA viruses like Zika and Dengue and Yellow Fever, and many others not even mentioned here?

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen​

Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1.

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[Cosmik Debris]

We can always rely on our little SoldierBoy to find the crazies…

That's because of the Yootchoob algorithm. What you watch causes the algorithm to suggest more of the same. That will lead you down your preconceived rabbit hole without you realising it.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The covid-19 drug remdesivir which is used in South African hospitals costs more than R10K per treatment with the generic drug, but costs about R175 to make. In the USA you can pay $4000 for the same course than costs $10 to make. Yet it provides little to no reduction in mortality rate, only improves recovery time and has much worse side effects than ivermectin. A little bit fishy.

Show me anyone who has received Remdesvir treatment?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Because Vice and Wikipedia is overflowing with indisputable scientifically correct information right...

The only data one can trust on drug efficacy is directly from clinical studies without questionable funding. Not mainstream media thanks.

And you have access to and are capable of reading and understanding clinical studies despite having no medical training at all?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So what you're saying is that IVM is not effective against other RNA viruses like Zika and Dengue and Yellow Fever, and many others not even mentioned here?

Show me the results of those studies?

 

[Wary GOM]

I see the cochrane meta analysis was funded by the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research.

The Federal Ministry of Education and Research has a major sponsorship partnership with none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Huge conflict of interest.


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The Federal Ministry of Education and Research gave Germany's biggest vaccine contract to BioNtech who's main sponsor is again the B & M Gates foundation who profited $550 Million so far off that vaccine. Bill has has admitted making $200 billion from investments made by his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in vaccines.

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Co-Author of the meta analysis, Miriam Stegemann works for Charite University in Berlin. Who are their primary funders. Big surprise, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. A trustworthy meta analysis? Yea right...



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The funding source of the meta analysis certainly needs to be considered when assessing the results and conclusions. The important point is that no assessment is made here, so the suspicion remains just an opinion that needs validation.

Other parts of this post also need critical consideration. Does Gates actually get money from the Foundation or is it spent on activities of the Foundation? As worded in this post, an unsupported and unjustified link is made between the profit made by the Foundation and profit made by Gates. The banner of the TrialSite News makes this allegation very specific, and in so doing, raises questions about lack of bias in everything reported by TrialSite.

It is not clear from this post whether the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research contract to BioNtech was for purely research and development of the vaccine or also for subsequent sales and profit therefrom. [Pfizer also supported the R & D and Pfizer is most definitely profiting handsomely from the vaccine.]

 

[Dave]

Because Vice and Wikipedia is overflowing with indisputable scientifically correct information right...

The only data one can trust on drug efficacy is directly from clinical studies without questionable funding. Not mainstream media thanks.

I don’t know if you know how Wikipedia works, but on pages with verifiable facts there are all the little numbers in brackets, ie [1], [2], [3], [4], [5].

As an example, the little [5] links to the following page where you can verify that particular bit of info for yourself (if you can do your own reasoning and don’t rely on Uchoob “personalities” like Joe Rogan to think for you).

[5]

Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 2

A few months ago, Scott Gavura wrote about how the veterinary deworming drug ivermectin has become the new hydroxychloroquine in that it is being promoted as a highly effective treatment against COVID

sciencebasedmedicine.org

 

[SoldierMan]

I don’t know if you know how Wikipedia works, but on pages with verifiable facts there are all the little numbers in brackets, ie [1], [2], [3], [4], [5].

As an example, the little [5] links to the following page where you can verify that particular bit of info for yourself (if you can do your own reasoning and don’t rely on Uchoob “personalities” like Joe Rogan to think for you).

[5]

Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 2

A few months ago, Scott Gavura wrote about how the veterinary deworming drug ivermectin has become the new hydroxychloroquine in that it is being promoted as a highly effective treatment against COVID

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Joe Rogan, heck no, but rather his guests. Nice dodge though, very disingenuous as usual from you.

 

[Dave]

Joe Rogan, heck no, but rather his guests.

His guests that in this instance are verifiable covid conspiracy fruitcakes?

Well done, SoldierBoy, well done…

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The funding source of the meta analysis certainly needs to be considered when assessing the results and conclusions. The important point is that no assessment is made here, so the suspicion remains just an opinion that needs validation.

The banner of the TrialSite News makes this allegation very specific, and in so doing, raises questions about lack of bias in everything reported by TrialSite.

TrialSite News:

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE​

Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources.

Overall, we rate TrialSite News a strong Pseudoscience source based on promoting misleading and false claims regarding Covid-19 vaccines.

In general, TrialSite News reports a combination of credible pro-science information and pseudoscience when reporting on Covid-19 vaccines. Essentially, they are promoting anti-vaccine propaganda.

Funded by / Ownership​

TrialSite News claims that the owner and founder Daniel O’Connor funds the website with the aim “to create a new disruptive force in the world of biomedical research.” At this time, there does not appear to be a source of revenue.

Failed Fact Checks​

• “the ovaries get the highest concentration of [lipid nanoparticles from RNA vaccines]. This turns the ovaries into a very large manufacturing plant to turn out toxic spike protein” – Inaccurate
• “these vaccines have likely killed over 25,800 Americans (which I confirmed 3 different ways) and disabled at least 1,000,000 more” – False
• Post-vaccination deaths reported to VAERS are caused by the vaccine – Misleading (see VAERS info above)
• Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines – False

TrialSite News

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence.

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Wary GOM]

And you have access to and are capable of reading and understanding clinical studies despite having no medical training at all?

A couple of things here. Assessing clinical studies is pretty specialised and needs more data than is usually presented in enough depth in research reports. Most people aren't helped at all by getting the direct data. The mainstream media is usually less biased than many of the fringe publications.

 

[Lucas Buck]

I see the cochrane meta analysis was funded by the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research.

The Federal Ministry of Education and Research has a major sponsorship partnership with none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Huge conflict of interest.


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I honestly can't see the conflict of interest here, when the partnership as shown in the quoted overview, seems to be one of providing funding for research.

The partnership in this instance is one of supporting African Scientists.

 

[SoldierMan]

His guests that in this instance are verifiable covid conspiracy fruitcakes?

Well done, SoldierBoy, well done…

What conspiracies do they punt?

You mean Ivermectin? Wow, you bunch of dead-heads really just follow anything the MSM throws at you don't you, no ability to think for yourself. If anyone diverts from "the narrative" they just get labelled conspiracy theorists and written off. Truly amazing how you dead-heads just eat that up and jump on that bandwagon. They get you every time, hook, line and sinker and you just lap it up.

You didn't respond to the following (pretty obvious why):

Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1.