Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

Geoff.D

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So, according to you, If I did something and it worked or failed, I'm wrong saying it will work or fail by quoting my experience? Is that why people aren't still trying to invent the wheel? Because experience doesn't count?
The fact is plenty of so called experienced people ARE trying to reinvent the wheel.
 

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Thanks, I have been monitoring the potential use of Remdevisir in SA but saw nothing being reported, except an obscure reference some persons being given it in SA as part of a trial.

Was quite surprised when Cipla announced it had received section 21 approval in May. Yet SAHPRA themselves never made a press release?

Was she part of the trial? in February?
She was told that it was experimental treatment but that they have had very good success with it in South Africa.
 

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She was told that it was experimental treatment but that they have had very good success with it in South Africa.
Thanks for confirming it was part of the trial in SA.
Not therefore in widespread use in SA.
 

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Please guys, you can find a YT video for any argument. It seems that several years of study at university has now been replaced by watching a few YT videos to gain the same qualification.
@Cosmik Debris. Please note that I have never proclaimed to be an expert or having the necessary qualification to suggest that I am an expert in the subject which is why I seek out and listen to scientific evidence provided by top scientists and doctors who are in active in the the front line of Covid care and treatment.

Your comment is directly aimed at discrediting the information provided by Dr Pierre Korry who is a proven expert in his field. The results that he lists are based on not just his scientific findings, but also of the finding of many other controlled trials and physicians involved in these studies. A summary findings on all Ivermectin trials can be found on .

Please provide us with any scientific arguments with trial evidence against Ivermectin so the public can make their own informed choice.
 

Cosmik Debris

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@Cosmik Debris. Please note that I have never proclaimed to be an expert or having the necessary qualification to suggest that I am an expert in the subject which is why I seek out and listen to scientific evidence provided by top scientists and doctors who are in active in the the front line of Covid care and treatment.

Your comment is directly aimed at discrediting the information provided by Dr Pierre Korry who is a proven expert in his field. The results that he lists are based on not just his scientific findings, but also of the finding of many other controlled trials and physicians involved in these studies. A summary findings on all Ivermectin trials can be found on .

Please provide us with any scientific arguments with trial evidence against Ivermectin so the public can make their own informed choice.

Read the title of the thread again:

Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19​


Now, does his evidence show this to be true or false?
 

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Read the title of the thread again:

Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19​


Now, does his evidence show this to be true or false?

Who cares what the title of the thread is, it was false from the start. Real world stats show 90% reduction in hospitalisation using Ivermectin.

This study has several limitations. Firstly, the percentage of events in relation to the primary outcome was below the estimate, so this trial was under powered.

Secondly, the mean dose of ivermectin was 192.37 μg/kg/day (SD ± 24.56), which is below the doses proposed as probably effective [20, 33]. Thirdly, a middle-aged population was included which, in accordance with the first point raised in this section, had hospitalization events below the 10% set at the time of calculating the sample size. On the other hand, including a population with these characteristics increases the external validity of the study. Consideration could be given to analyzing the efficacy of ivermectin in a population at high risk of hospitalization in future trials. Fourth, blood ivermectin levels were not measured, so we cannot know the bioavailability of the drug in these patients or the blood ivermectin levels that were reached. Lastly, we did not include any scale to determine the severity of the patients who were enrolled. At the time of inclusion in IVERCORCOVID19, the patients did not have hospitalization criteria, therefore, we cannot determine if the population included was mostly with a mild or moderate condition or if there was a similar distribution between both groups.
 

Cosmik Debris

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Who cares what the title of the thread is, it was false from the start. Real world stats show 90% reduction in hospitalisation using Ivermectin.

Evidence for the effectivity of Ivermectin then please? Empirical, not anecdotal evidence please.
 

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Thanks for confirming it was part of the trial in SA.
Not therefore in widespread use in SA.
Actually the doctor confirmed that it is widely used by specialists in the private sector to treat hospitalised Covid patients.
 

Cosmik Debris

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Actually the doctor confirmed that it is widely used by specialists in the private sector to treat hospitalised Covid patients.

The doctor - Name?
Widely used - Where? Places?
Specialists - Name?
Treat hospitalised Covid patients - Evidence please?

All anecdotal as usual. Them, they there.

Need better than that please.
 

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The doctor - Name?
Widely used - Where? Places?
Specialists - Name?
Treat hospitalised Covid patients - Evidence please?

All anecdotal as usual. Them, they there.

Need better than that please.
Go to your local private hospital. Ask them who is the internist specialising in Covid treatments and then you ask him or her all these questions. Do not ask me. All I am telling you is what my wife's internist told me.
 
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Geoff.D

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Read the title of the thread again:

Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19​


Now, does his evidence show this to be true or false?
The title of the thread is a BS one, based on a one sided cooked up trial.
So, you are defending a view point that has been countered by thousands of other patient records already in the public domain, presented by experts in the field, with many years of experience behind them?
Then, you claim as well that you have the right to talk from experience and claim that you know what you are doing but they can't? And to boot, when you have already acknowledged that your experience is not equivalent to theirs?
And then you also choose to challenge my statement regarding the fallacy of experience?
You sure have one huge chip on your shoulder or a split personality.
 

Geoff.D

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If they only inject bleach as I had recommended earlier, this argument will end.
And your useless crap interjections are just tiresome rubbish.
What is the chemical formula for bleach?
Have you checked whether it is registered as a medication anywhere? And what it is called?
And what it is used for medically?
 
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Cosmik Debris

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Go to your local private hospital. Ask them who is the internist specialising in Covid treatments and then you ask him or her all these questions. Do not ask me. All I am telling you is what my wife's internist told me.

So a single internist speaks for the entire medical fraternity then? As I said - Anecdotal.
 

Cosmik Debris

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The title of the thread is a BS one, based on a one sided cooked up trial.
So, you are defending a view point that has been countered by thousands of other patient records already in the public domain, presented by experts in the field, with many years of experience behind them?
Then, you claim as well that you have the right to talk from experience and claim that you know what you are doing but they can't? And to boot, when you have already acknowledged that your experience is not equivalent to theirs?
And then you also choose to challenge my statement regarding the fallacy of experience?
You sure have one huge chip on your shoulder or a split personality.

Then give empirical evidence. Not anecdotal nor YouTube please.
 

Cosmik Debris

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If they only inject bleach as I had recommended earlier, this argument will end.

You're trying too hard to be humorous, facetious or sarcastic. Can't tell which. All it's doing for you is getting groans from those reading your posts.
 

Stonemason

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So a single internist speaks for the entire medical fraternity then? As I said - Anecdotal.
The internist is question say they are all in regular contact with each other to discuss new treatment options. You are therefore guaranteed to get an answer from you local Covid 19 specialist.

You seem to like to get into arguments with everyone around you. Don't you find that boring? Or are you trying to sound very clever? Who are you in any case to question each and every statement in this forum?
 

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Oh, so you are not a doctor? Okay then.

Not going to answer? I presume you need to google the answer first? Not up to date are you?
Never mind you don't have to look far back in time for the answer to the first part of my request.
Dude, you're further away from being a doctor than Cosmik. Just saying, considering all your "knowledge" on this subject comes from Google.
Calling someone out for not being a doctor (whilst it's clear he has more medical training than the likes of you) is the height of all irony on this thread.
 
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