Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

[diapason]

India's Ivermectin Blackout - Part V: The Secret Revealed

On May 7, 2021, during the peak of India's Delta Surge, The World Health Organization reported, "Uttar Pradesh (is) going the last mile to stop COVID-19."

www.thedesertreview.com

 

[Cosmik Debris]

@diapason When you make a post, don't just post the link. Post the relevant information from it. When you refer to information, you don't just paste the name of the text book, you post the relevant page, page number, paragraph or sentence.

Now what are you trying to say with your link? Which , by the way, is a conspiracy nutjob and pseudoscience site when it comes to Ivermectin:

The Desert Review

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mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[RiaX]

It is not a theory, it is fact known for a very very long time already. The entire issue goes to the very heart of understanding why some injections should be given into muscular tissue. It is fully described in a medical textbook I have dated 1972.

The very essence is about the slow absorption of a substance injected into the body ---- these vaccines are supposed to be absorbed slowly over time.

We know that that why we give it IM

The fact that this technique is not practised routinely is an indictment related to poor training and plain carelessness so often found in modern society in all walks of life.

According to who ? Dude I've never seen it NOT done. I think you need to report these people you are observing

 

[semaphore]

We know that that why we give it IM



According to who ? Dude I've never seen it NOT done. I think you need to report these people you are observing

You best not feed this guy's delusions.

 

[Geoff.D]

Here have a free report for unfounded misinformation to add to your collection "doctor" idiot

The VERY FIRST PERSON to raise this issue about Aspiration when administering the vaccines WAS in fact a MEDICAL DOCTOR member of myBB. His handle is @Daveogg. At the time ONLY I commented and stated that the ONLY people I saw practising Aspiration was an intern doctor and the older nurses.

Now how did I know about its significance if I did not know about it before then? And where do you think most of my generation got their knowledge and experience from but from paying attention to our lecturers and READING our textbooks?

None of you lot bothered to comment if I remember correctly, neither did ANY of you claim they knew about it or not.

So, it is not new nor is it not necessary, but a well-known safety feature to reduce the risk of accidentally injecting ANY substance directly into a vein that is not designed to be used intravenously.

The fact that you lot of wet behind the ears twits and whomever you know who does not know about it or thinks it is BS because all of you lot swallowed the swill that came out about Aspiration in the period 2008 to 2014, is neither here nor there or my problem but yours and your "advisors" whoever they are.

 

[JohnStarr]

We know that that why we give it IM



According to who ? Dude I've never seen it NOT done. I think you need to report these people you are observing

I've reported that comment he made. He unfortunately fails to respond to my questioning him all the time. Not sure why he finds it that hard (he's put me on Ignore yet reads what I've said, so go figure).
If it's that tough to answer a stock-standard question, it explains why I am on Ignore. Became too difficult for him to answer a real world query.
I believe this is a delusional made-up comment again, based on zero evidence being provided.

 

[RiaX]

You best not feed this guy's delusions.

Well in terms on aspiration for a technique he isn't wrong. Though I have never seen a medical professional not pull back on the plunger for IM. Maybe he thinks they not doing it or assumes you have to like really yank it. Just a simple tug will do. The negative pressure puts the plunger back into place so if you not watching carefully its easy to miss

No nurse (or medical practioner for that matter) is going to be lazy with it, its a malpractice lawsuit waiting to happen and we fear that sh*t its expensive and can ruin your life.

 

[PsyWulf]

Doctor Geoff's pigeoning - flies in and shits everywhere before flying off again

 

[Geoff.D]

We know that that why we give it IM



According to who ? Dude I've never seen it NOT done. I think you need to report these people you are observing

Suggest you watch carefully the next news broadcast ( you d have to watch eNCA or SABCC news though) and pay careful attention to those administering the vaccines and then tell me IF the ones on TV ARE doing it?

BTW thank you for CONFIRMING that it IS a recognised technique used in SA. The point I made in support of the person who referred to it as a theory was to point out that it IS a technique well known in SA, and NOT a theory at all.

 

[JohnStarr]

The VERY FIRST PERSON to raise this issue about Aspiration when administering the vaccines WAS in fact a MEDICAL DOCTOR member of myBB. His handle is @Daveogg. At the time ONLY I commented and stated that the ONLY people I saw practising Aspiration was an intern doctor and the older nurses.

Now how did I know about its significance if I did not know about it before then? And where do you think most of my generation got their knowledge and experience from but from paying attention to our lecturers and READING our textbooks?

None of you lot bothered to comment if I remember correctly, neither did ANY of you claim they knew about it or not.

So, it is not new nor is it not necessary, but a well-known safety feature to reduce the risk of accidentally injecting ANY substance directly into a vein that is not designed to be used intravenously.

The fact that you lot of wet behind the ears twits and whomever you know who does not know about it or thinks it is BS because all of you lot swallowed the swill that came out about Aspiration in the period 2008 to 2014, is neither here nor there or my problem but yours and your "advisors" whoever they are.

So NOW you're medically trained further than L1 First Aid? And have had varsity tuition on that? None of us have claimed to have had medical training during the period you mentioned, or at all (except for RIaX and DaveOgg).

Are you therefore basing your statement on Daveogg's comments, or is this a blanket statement where you have seen first-hand proof yourself in order to make the claim?

 

[RiaX]

Suggest you watch carefully the next news broadcast ( you d have to watch eNCA or SABCC news though) and pay careful attention to those administering the vaccines and then tell me IF the ones on TV ARE doing it?

BTW thank you for CONFIRMING that it IS a recognised technique used in SA. The point I made in support of the person who referred to it as a theory was to point out that it IS a technique well known in SA.

They doing it dude. They give that many injections in a day they do it very efficiently they do not puzzle and inject. Thats why you see easily in your "intern" Drs.

I dispense 100s of injections on a daily basis which get injected on a daily basis. Its the difference between a pro and an amateur.

I'll give an example. Im a DIY noob im learning still, it took me 1 hour to change my door handles and lock system and measure and bla bla bla. That job would taken a seasoned contractor 5 to 10 minutes. Same thing

 

[Cosmik Debris]

According to who ? Dude I've never seen it NOT done. I think you need to report these people you are observing

I would like to know how he gets into medical facilities as a non accredited medical person to observe all these injections...

At the time ONLY I commented and stated that the ONLY people I saw practising Aspiration was an intern doctor and the older nurses.

Please explain how you gained access to watch medical procedures as a non accredited medical person?

He unfortunately fails to respond to my questioning him all the time. Not sure why he finds it that hard (he's put me on Ignore yet reads what I've said, so go figure).
If it's that tough to answer a stock-standard question, it explains why I am on Ignore. Became too difficult for him to answer a real world query.

He claims to have many on ignore yet reads all and just ignores anything or anyone that doesn't suit his viewpoint.

Suggest you watch carefully the next news broadcast ( you d have to watch eNCA or SABCC news though) and pay careful attention to those administering the vaccines and then tell me IF the ones on TV ARE doing it?

You, completely untrained in invasive medical techniques (Yes, an injection is an invasive medical technique), have the training to be able to gauge whether the injection technique is correct?

 

[Geoff.D]

Well in terms on aspiration for a technique he isn't wrong. Though I have never seen a medical professional not pull back on the plunger for IM. Maybe he thinks they not doing it or assumes you have to like really yank it. Just a simple tug will do. The negative pressure puts the plunger back into place so if you not watching carefully its easy to miss

No nurse (or medical practioner for that matter) is going to be lazy with it, its a malpractice lawsuit waiting to happen and we fear that sh*t its expensive and can ruin your life.

Dont make assumptions about what others know and don't know. There is no maybe about it. We were taught the technique and specifically told wahy it was necessary, So stop assuming things just because you want to support the lunatics on this thread who have nothing to contribute.

All this is because of the rejection by a few that the Dr on his videos keeps on talking about it. And he does so because the practice IS NO longer automatically taught to anybody in the UK and the US and it appears neither in NZ or AUS either.

 

[RiaX]

Dont make assumptions about what others know and don't know. There is no maybe about it. We were taught the technique and specifically told wahy it was necessary, So stop assuming things just because you want to support the lunatics on this thread who have nothing to contribute.

All this is because of the rejection by a few that the Dr on his videos keeps on talking about it. And he does so because the practice IS NO longer automatically taught to anybody in the UK and the US and it appears neither in NZ or AUS either.

Ok lets try this another away. How many injections have you given my good sir ?

 

[Geoff.D]

Ok lets try this another away. How many injections have you given my good sir ?

Thank goodness not many. But would one a week for a relative who needed to get an injection and could not do it himself.

And please, why don't you follow the thread and see where the comment came from? Do you reject the idea that is was/is a theory? Or do you support the post where the poster said it was a theory? All I did was to point out that it is NOT a theory but a well-known technique.

Did you READ my post about who raised it for the first time on the forum? And have you checked why he raised it?

 

[JustinB]

My wife always aspirates. Apparently penicillin IV is bad.

 

[RiaX]

Thank goodness not many. But would one a week for a relative who needed to get an injection and could not do it himself.

Then your observations are not accurate.

Did you READ my post about who raised it for the first time on the forum? And have you checked why he raised it?

Im aware why he raised it. Im also telling you that you are over doing it to the point that its becoming nonsense.

My wife always aspirates. Apparently penicillin IV is bad.

Benzathine penicillin is fatal if injected IV. Benzyl penicillin can go IVI.

 

[Geoff.D]

My wife always aspirates. Apparently penicillin IV is bad.

Yes! And insulin is administered subcutaneously. Hence why I saw to it that myself and all members of the family were taught how to administer injections, and the way to do that was to ensure everyone was taught ALL the correct techniques.

 

[Hush9300]

Well in terms on aspiration for a technique he isn't wrong. Though I have never seen a medical professional not pull back on the plunger for IM. Maybe he thinks they not doing it or assumes you have to like really yank it. Just a simple tug will do. The negative pressure puts the plunger back into place so if you not watching carefully its easy to miss

No nurse (or medical practioner for that matter) is going to be lazy with it, its a malpractice lawsuit waiting to happen and we fear that sh*t its expensive and can ruin your life.

I always top-up on my tetanus vaccination and I've rarely seen aspiration. I didn't know it to be a big thing though but you learn something new every day.

 

[RiaX]

I always top-up on my tetanus vaccination and I've rarely seen aspiration. I didn't know it to be a big thing though but you learn something new every day.

Again is a very small movement you wont even feel it. Its probable you didnt notice it because you werent looking for it because you didnt know about it ?