Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

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Swa said:
All studies have qualifications, something your paramedic certificate doesn't teach you and only experience does. Where you make the classic mistake is assuming that because they do they can all be dismissed separately in a vacuum. They don't exist in a vacuum however. The body of evidence for IVM is probably the largest there has ever been for anything in such a short time span. The study also doesn't say that it can't be concluded that it's effective. Jeesh, you are indeed not qualified to interpret studies.

I'll say it again what I said previously, if the body of evidence for dark matter was as strong as for IVM the scientific community would accept it no questions.

Moving on...
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Shows you don't have a paramedic qualification. Experience is required and has to be demonstrated to gain the certificate...

There is no evidence for IVM. Check the title of the thread...

The majority of scientists accept dark matter exists like they accept gravity exists. The majority of medical personnel do not accept IVM.
 
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alanB said:
I'm constantly fascinated at why people get so invested in shouting down, what on the face of it is very good news.
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Yes that would be unfortunate.
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That there is a cheap, low risk, FDA approved drug that seems to show very good results for treating Covid. Which seems to effective against all variants, and all stages of the illness, but particularly when used as prophylaxis.
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There isn't though.
alanB said:
Why is that such a bad thing that needs all this endless arguing?

This site has a huge amount of data on the subject which I personally find quite convincing. https://ivmmeta.com/
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This website site is debunked antivaxx propaganda. Details earlier in this thread. Learn about "meta analysis" on Google for more information - you seem like a fan of "huge amounts of data", you really should actually read more of it.
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If you don't believe that, then don't take the drug. It's your body etc.

But why the desperate need to stop others from doing so? It's almost psychotic some of the behaviour on display here IMO.
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Because people want to use Ivermenctin/Hyrdochloroquine instead of vaccines and therein lies the issue. Show me one pro-IVM poster here who is also pro-vaccine. There are none. It doesn't stand on its own. It's all a web of antivaxx bullschit.

What is "psychotic" about wanting an actual, vaccine-driven herd immunity that will facilitate a return to some semblance of life as we knew it before SARS-CoV-2?
 
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What the actual crap are you talking about???!!!!

Are you literally insane?

Here are studies that show effectiveness. Got it? Now if you don't have the ability to evaluate the studies that is fine, but DON'T then say there is no evidence, that is just ignorance and lying on your part.

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 60 studies
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Still no evidence...

Refer post #1283. He has put it far better than I can:

SlinkyMike said:
Yes that would be unfortunate.

There isn't though.

This website site is debunked antivaxx propaganda. Details earlier in this thread. Learn about "meta analysis" on Google for more information - you seem like a fan of "huge amounts of data", you really should actually read more of it.

Because people want to use Ivermenctin/Hyrdochloroquine instead of vaccines and therein lies the issue. Show me one pro-IVM poster here who is also pro-vaccine. There are none. It doesn't stand on its own. It's all a web of antivaxx bullschit.

What is "psychotic" about wanting an actual, vaccine-driven herd immunity that will facilitate a return to some semblance of life as we knew it before SARS-CoV-2?
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Cosmik Debris said:
Still no evidence...

Refer post #1283. He has put it far better than I can:
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Hahahaha so actual studies and trials SHOWING effectiveness against Covid in fact isn't evidence. So right is wrong and truth is lies in your world.

You are literally insane, and that is where my interaction with you ends. Please don't bother responding to any of my posts anymore as I won't respond to your insanity.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
This website site is debunked antivaxx propaganda. Details earlier in this thread.
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Really?

So all those studies are rubbish, all that data and info rubbish? And all the doctors etc involved who have referenced those studies separately, in multiple other sites, videos and sources are all rubbish?

Really?

You actually confirm my overall point for me.

But anyway, I've made my point, not going to get sucked into all the pointless nonsense happening here, the word psychotic definitely does apply.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
This website site is debunked antivaxx propaganda. Details earlier in this thread. Learn about "meta analysis" on Google for more information - you seem like a fan of "huge amounts of data", you really should actually read more of it.
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So who was the genius who debunked 60 studies and all people and doctors who took part in them :ROFL:

You for real? Show me how the 60 studies were debunked.
 
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SoldierMan said:
What the actual crap are you talking about???!!!!

Are you literally insane?

Here are studies that show effectiveness. Got it? Now if you don't have the ability to evaluate the studies that is fine, but DON'T then say there is no evidence, that is just ignorance and lying on your part.

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 60 studies
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Still arguing the same kak despite clear data indicating foul play.

Here's some more you'll ignore: https://forbetterscience.com/2020/12/15/ivermectin-now-against-covid-19-why/

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Still no evidence...

Refer post #1283. He has put it far better than I can:
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You know why a vaccine for stupid wouldn't work? These morons wouldn't take it.
 
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alanB said:
Really?

So all those studies are rubbish, all that data and info rubbish? And all the doctors etc involved who have referenced those studies separately, in multiple other sites, videos and sources are all rubbish?

Really?

You actually confirm my overall point for me.

But anyway, I've made my point, not going to get sucked into all the pointless nonsense happening here, the word psychotic definitely does apply.
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No. The word fscking idiot applies.

So you understand yet what meta-analysis means? Either you still do not, or you are very stupid. Both can also be true.

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SlinkyMike said:
Still arguing the same kak despite clear data indicating foul play.

Here's some more you'll ignore: https://forbetterscience.com/2020/12/15/ivermectin-now-against-covid-19-why/
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Hahahaha that's all you have? That foul-mouthed hit piece you call journalism.

Where's this "clear data" you talk of???? Swearing and calling people names is not clear data :ROFL: You talking complete trash.

You do know (which your trash writer clearly doesn't) that there is now evidence (do a google search for many studies) that IVM binds to the spike protein and that then prevents it from binding to the cell. If your idiot excuse for a journalist had bothered to do a little research he might have known this.

Here is one: The Binding mechanism of Ivermectin and levosalbutamol with spike protein of SARS-CoV-2

There is also evidence that when used for parasites IVM helps clear the lungs, that's why it is also beneficial for Covid.
 
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Not getting involved, but studies that show the effectiveness of IVM = good. Studies that show it is ineffective - WTF are those? They don't exist. They're not real.
That seems to be the blinkered look at things.

/Peace out!
 
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Grant said:
This coming from someone who believes in talking snakes, insolent mules, men who walk on water, virgin births....

Don't play the insanity card too quickly
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Yeah and you believe everything comes from nothing and that nothing formed a little dot that exploded. And poof a magical universe. Then everything, that was nothing, started coalescing, and magically formed all the material in the universe. And then magically planets formed and magically water formed and out of the mud/water came life after chemicals magically coalesced into the most complex thing in the universe, the cell. Poof again.

Yeah your view isn't much more magical than mine.......
 
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Hahahaha so actual studies and trials SHOWING effectiveness against Covid in fact isn't evidence. So right is wrong and truth is lies in your world.

You are literally insane, and that is where my interaction with you ends. Please don't bother responding to any of my posts anymore as I won't respond to your insanity.
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You have the qualifications to pronounce someone insane?

IVM may have a slight effect. It's not the panacea you make it out to be...
 
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Yeah and you believe everything comes from nothing and that nothing formed a little dot that exploded. And poof a magical universe. Then everything, that was nothing, started coalescing, and magically formed all the material in the universe. And then magically planets formed and magically water formed and out of the mud/water came life after chemicals magically coalesced into the most complex thing in the universe, the cell. Poof again.

Yeah your view isn't much more magical than mine.......
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Replace the word nothing with your god and you have the exact same scenario except it now becomes possible because your god did it...
 
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alanB said:
Ja whatever you say...

It's a bit delusional to just continually deny accumulating evidence - just saying.

The rest is just noise
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And it's evidence from multiple fronts, like the studies that show that IVM binds with the spike protein and so stops it from binding with the cell, thereby preventing it from multiplying.

This makes sense as IVM shows most potency when given early or midway into Covid.

But hey the more evidence that arises, the more they scream and hand wave.
 
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