Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

Grant

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There are no miracle cures! None nada, nothing, not of IVM or any other drug in existence.
And there is a string of virus-related diseases that IVM has been shown to be effective against , but unfortunately, very few ( maybe NONE) have been recognised by the medical fraternity.
Probably for good reason
 

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Promoting violence is illegal - he might get you for that first.
I'm not promoting anything, that's most likely why you could not comprehend the article. You are scared he's going to vaccinate you against your will, if he does I will just stand on the sidelines and laugh. If that's promoting violence, sure lol.
 

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I'm not promoting anything, that's most likely why you could not comprehend the article. You are scared he's going to vaccinate you against your will, if he does I will just stand on the sidelines and laugh. If that's promoting violence, sure lol.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew"
 

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"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew"
I'm still going to laugh.
 

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"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew"
First they came for flat earthers and I did not speak out - because I was not a flat earther. Then they came for fake moon landers and I didn't speak out as I was not a fake moon landing guy. Then, they came out for anti-vaxxers and look, this is my caring face.
 

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What is interesting is how people so easily completely try to ignore anecdotal evidence in favour of "studies"..... but only when it comes to alternatives to vaccines.... but at the same time refuse to admit the current rollout is actually a massive uncontrolled study with a shrinking control group. This is not scientific thinking it's herd mentality.

On the other side you have people largely fearful of modern vaccines because of past corporate excesses and a lack of legal accountability only encouraging further excesses. They are willing to accept anything that is not a vaccine and engage in massively contradictory herd mentality.

I have seen allegations of viruses are spontaneously created garbage collectors that spread because if one part of the population have this problem others must as well and viruses don't actually exist and the cells doing their own garbage collection is just being called viruses and they happen individually because of environmental factors but cannot spread exist side by side as if both are true at the same time.... with no one noticing the problem.

I am all for either hypotheses being potentially true of course but..... clearly only one can be.

The main myth here seems to be "my side is immune to mass hysteria but yours is not, your side clearly must be stopped because it's going to kill us all"..... applicable to both sides.
Yeah look, I'll admit anecdotal evidence is important. Vioxx for instance was taken off the market because of reports showing that there was an increased incidence of heart attacks in people using it. People here though are trying to use their own experiences contrary to what the data shows both against IVM and for the vaccines.

IVM at current doses are not 100% effective so we'll expect regression to the mean. I too want more studies but not because I believe the conclusion will change. What we need to examine is how effective it can be at other doses. It might turn out to be no more effective than 66% or it may be nearly 100% effective.

That nobody wants to throw some money at it to properly study the most promising drug but would rather invent a new prophylaxis is very telling.
 

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First they came for flat earthers and I did not speak out - because I was not a flat earther. Then they came for fake moon landers and I didn't speak out as I was not a fake moon landing guy. Then, they came out for anti-vaxxers and look, this is my caring face.

Oh look, a Brown Shirt saying he doesn't care about other people's rights. No surprises there.
 

Swa

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No, but you have people that study for a long period of time AND have experience. Now compare that with the amateur sleuthing you lot do and they're incomparable.
You are treating what a doctor, pharmacist, nurse etc. etc studies for (well, old Geoff too) as inconsequential when it's literally your views, and you trying to push them here as "qualified" people through reading, that are that instead. Medically speaking. We all have a view over various topics.
Mainsteam acceptance is just that...proven to do no harm; proven to work against what it is purported to work. Now with zero medical training you can be excused for not knowing initially. However, you have been on here long enough to actually have read this is not the case. Medical people wait for the proof. They don't rush out and do whatever mainstream forumites want them to do. There is order in what and how it's done.
Sorry it doesn't fit into an agile world.
You're deliberately spreading disinformation. It's not just armchair experts picking studies that fall out of thin air. You are disregarding professional qualifications just because they don't fit into your narrative. It's downright disgusting.

Mainstream acceptance also doesn't mean that something is correct. Things get accepted into the mainstream for various other reasons. It's you lot that need to take a look at your own behaviour when it comes to these topics. You are committing all of the classic fallacies but for some reason that never sinks in. Dunning-Kruger is strong with you guys.

If the data that supports a summary is incorrect, how can the summary be correct?

That is why you need to check the data.

Firstly as it purports to be randomised, they need to detail this explicitly. How do we know what the pre-existing conditions are? No information on potential confounders at all. Can you detail what they were, if I apparently missed them?

Both total in the columns in the table were wrong. Just plugged them into excel.

What happened to the pre-registration numbers?

It is impossible for a median age to drop from 42 to 40.

So why do you gloss over the inconsistencies in the data?

How do you know whether the conclusions drawn are accurate based on the flaws in the data?

Do you have the required qualifications, knowledge and experience to evaluate this errors and dismiss them?
Now if only you'll scrutinise the vaccines "trials" with the same vigour. Really it seems like some people do not want IVM to be an effective treatment but want mass medication that benefits big pharma.

By trash you mean the animal incecticide the Cult of Ivy worships?
For the umpteenth time, it's neither an insecticide nor was it made for animals.
 

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Now if only you'll scrutinise the vaccines "trials" with the same vigour. Really it seems like some people do not want IVM to be an effective treatment but want mass medication that benefits big pharma.

Merck, one of the big bad "Big Pharma" companies is skeptical about the benefit of Ivermectin, and they'd stand to benefit a lot if it was proven to be effective.
 
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Merck, one of the big bad "Big Pharma" companies is skeptical about the benefit of Ivermectin, and they'd stand a to benefit a lot if it was proven to be effective.
There are plenty of other super cheap drugs out there that people take every day. For example Beta Blockers. There are thousands of them on the market. They cost R30 a month. The Drug manufacturers do not SUPRESS them and have no qualms licensing them and producing them.
 
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You're deliberately spreading disinformation. It's not just armchair experts picking studies that fall out of thin air. You are disregarding professional qualifications just because they don't fit into your narrative. It's downright disgusting.

Mainstream acceptance also doesn't mean that something is correct. Things get accepted into the mainstream for various other reasons. It's you lot that need to take a look at your own behaviour when it comes to these topics. You are committing all of the classic fallacies but for some reason that never sinks in. Dunning-Kruger is strong with you guys.


Now if only you'll scrutinise the vaccines "trials" with the same vigour. Really it seems like some people do not want IVM to be an effective treatment but want mass medication that benefits big pharma.


For the umpteenth time, it's neither an insecticide nor was it made for animals.
I have looked at the vaccine trial studies.

Their math checks out.

They have been peer reviewed.

They have been cited hundreds of times.

They have been reviewed by medical regulators of almost every country in the world.

Expert upon expert have reviewed them.

Have you?
 

semaphore

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I have looked at the vaccine trial studies.

Their math checks out.

They have been peer reviewed.

They have been cited hundreds of times.

They have been reviewed by medical regulators of almost every country in the world.

Expert upon expert have reviewed them.

Have you?
He will need to consult his mothers doctor first.
 

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There are plenty of other super cheap drugs out there that people take every day. For example Beta Blockers. There are thousands of them on the market. They cost R30 a month. The Drug manufacturers do not SUPRESS them and have no qualms licensing them and producing them.
Yes, this is peanuts, compare it to the profit margin that comes from the patented covid-19 vaccines.
 

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You're deliberately spreading disinformation. It's not just armchair experts picking studies that fall out of thin air. You are disregarding professional qualifications just because they don't fit into your narrative. It's downright disgusting.

Mainstream acceptance also doesn't mean that something is correct. Things get accepted into the mainstream for various other reasons. It's you lot that need to take a look at your own behaviour when it comes to these topics. You are committing all of the classic fallacies but for some reason that never sinks in. Dunning-Kruger is strong with you guys.


Now if only you'll scrutinise the vaccines "trials" with the same vigour. Really it seems like some people do not want IVM to be an effective treatment but want mass medication that benefits big pharma.


For the umpteenth time, it's neither an insecticide nor was it made for animals.
No...not at all. I prefer qualifications. It means someone has studied something and specialised in it.
Wasn't it you who said you don't need to have studied something to be qualified? That air of grandeur is disgusting.
I've ALWAYS said IVM needs to be studied further, but if it had the chance of working and was proven as such, then it would be cheap and effective. Geoff called me a heretic because of that. Go and read on the other LOOOOONG IVM thread. You'll see all of that.
 

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I dedicate this meme to this thread.

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