Jacob Zuma openly defies Zondo commission, says he is ready to be jailed

[TelkomUseless]

All this debacle has shown is how easy it is to manipulate and play the legal system against itself if you have the legal-willpower to do so.

You as citizen won't get remote chance to game the system like JZ has.

 

[wingnut771]

Cheapest electricity mainly for the white minority. It was not a national utility.

And yet you inherited a national power grid spanning the whole country (not many countries can boast that) but anyway so what? It was cheap as chips, and we had so much of it that the surrounding countries also benefited.

Cheap power = cheap industry that can compete on the world stage. Get that through your thick skull.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

You as citizen won't get remote chance to game the system like JZ has.

There is zero doubt that political players know how to game the system and I am sure top politicians have "special" treatment due to the political impact it will have to secure jailtime for them.

 

[The Darkness]

Rubbish, the ANC has embezzled nowhere near what was looted before them!

I don't think you have actual numbers and stats to speculate this unfortunately. But a few things to consider; the west has continued to pillage Africa long after the abolishment of 'colonialism', an example, go look at those mine dumps outside of Joburg, it's very favourable for the west to mine here as there is very little profit spent on dealing with this radioactive, toxic mess.
Another thing to consider is 'opportunity loss'. You might be able to figure out the 'to-the-cent' theft from both the Nats & the ANC, however, the actual costs are not just that. It's the damage to state-owned assets and business' (NB - the ANC is the ruling party, NOT the state, which is often forgotten - that failed post office is OUR post office, not theirs), the damage to future economies (for instance the opportunity cost loss from no digital migration), the loss of investment, and the loss of our brilliant minds (this last one is the biggest cost/loss, and NBNB this is people of ALL races. I know of many many highly skilled black people who've left for greener pastures).
So while yes, you can make a blanket assumption, it has no basis in actual economics, but if you want the easiest indicator of this, look no further than the ZARand in relation to other currencies. It doesn't take much to make the correct assumption from there.

 

[3WA]

We don't want a crisis and bloodshed.

In KZN? We don’t???

 

[Excalibur]

In KZN? We don’t???

You want it?

 

[3WA]

You want it?

I’m okay with KZN doing it’s KZN thing if it makes them happy.

 

[Excalibur]

I’m okay with KZN doing it’s KZN thing if it makes them happy.

It's still SA and those militant men you see supporting Zuma in KZN, there's thousands of the same in Gauteng.

 

[Bewlen]

Rubbish, the ANC has embezzled nowhere near what was looted before them!

Please provide any evidence to the above statement? Would be happy to finally lay eyes on this!

 

[3WA]

It's still SA and those militant men you see supporting Zuma in KZN, there's thousands of the same in Gauteng.

I haven’t seen anyone threatening any violence or chaos anywhere except at Nkandla.

 

[The Darkness]

I don't think you have actual numbers and stats to speculate this unfortunately. But a few things to consider; the west has continued to pillage Africa long after the abolishment of 'colonialism', an example, go look at those mine dumps outside of Joburg, it's very favourable for the west to mine here as there is very little profit spent on dealing with this radioactive, toxic mess.
Another thing to consider is 'opportunity loss'. You might be able to figure out the 'to-the-cent' theft from both the Nats & the ANC, however, the actual costs are not just that. It's the damage to state-owned assets and business' (NB - the ANC is the ruling party, NOT the state, which is often forgotten - that failed post office is OUR post office, not theirs), the damage to future economies (for instance the opportunity cost loss from no digital migration), the loss of investment, and the loss of our brilliant minds (this last one is the biggest cost/loss, and NBNB this is people of ALL races. I know of many many highly skilled black people who've left for greener pastures).
So while yes, you can make a blanket assumption, it has no basis in actual economics, but if you want the easiest indicator of this, look no further than the ZARand in relation to other currencies. It doesn't take much to make the correct assumption from there.

Just to add to my response to Excalibur's assumption; one ALSO needs to factor in debt, since this is our biggest difference between then and now. Here's a breakdown by GS. Clearly, our national debt has gone through the roof! At this point, there is just no ways you can view this any other way: https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/archive/colin-coleman-south-africa/20-yrs-of-freedom.pdf

And before you label me a racist, because I'm sure that's coming up. It cannot be further from the truth. I stayed in SA because I believed in being part of transforming this place. I was a little kid when this all ended, and I found the past situation to be completely disgusting. I wanted nothing more than RSA to become the success story. The Rainbow Nation. I'm very sad to have given up. But good luck to you.

 

[Tokolotshe]

You can get removed from leadership but your blood remains green, black and yellow.

Seems legit.

 

[Excalibur]

Please provide any evidence to the above statement? Would be happy to finally lay eyes on this!

Great, good to see open-minded people. Read this book and give us feedback.



Source: https://www.opensecrets.org.za/agm/

This too:

A History of Inequality in South Africa 1652-2002: Sampie Terreblanche: 9781869140229: Amazon.com: Books

A History of Inequality in South Africa 1652-2002 [Sampie Terreblanche] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. A History of Inequality in South Africa 1652-2002

www.amazon.com

 

[thestaggy]

Rubbish, the ANC has embezzled nowhere near what was looted before them!

Please explain the many failed and financially ruined SOEs?

 

[kolaval]

Cheapest electricity mainly for the white minority. It was not a national utility.

Do you claim that blacks under apartheid paid more for electricity than whites?

 

[wingnut771]

 

[Fulcrum29]

@Excalibur , why do the 'masses' idolise these two?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1366248009445629952

 

[TheChamp]

@Excalibur , why do the 'masses' idolise these two?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1366248009445629952

Can they make her the leader of the Women's league already? She is dom like them and will fit right in.

 

[Bewlen]

Great, good to see open-minded people. Read this book and give us feedback.

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Was it quantified in these books? You do know that you only need to quote your sources for your arguments to be validated?

 

[The Darkness]

Was it quantified in these books? You do know that you only need to quote your sources for your arguments to be validated?

No. All assumptive