Jacob Zuma openly defies Zondo commission, says he is ready to be jailed

[ToxicBunny]

JZ spent years collecting dirt on every senior ANC official especially those who may turn against him. He employed a couple of spies, one a white guy who were spy masters. All those cameras discovered, all part of Zumas operation, collecting insurance for this day. When you see anyone visiting him and photographs are taken, its a message to the spies who have this information that this person or people are on the green list. It is also a warning to all the others who may cross him.

In all honesty, I think Zuma's promised treasure trove of dirt on every senior ANC official is nowhere near as damning as he would like it to be.

He has been promising to let loose the dogs of war on this for ages and nary a peep of anything. I suspect he has zero actual evidence of anything, much like he hopes nobody else has evidence of any of the dirt on him (which is very definitely not the case)

 

[TheChamp]

JZ spent years collecting dirt on every senior ANC official especially those who may turn against him. He employed a couple of spies, one a white guy who were spy masters. All those cameras discovered, all part of Zumas operation, collecting insurance for this day. When you see anyone visiting him and photographs are taken, its a message to the spies who have this information that this person or people are on the green list. It is also a warning to all the others who may cross him.

Kahle, what are you saying now Solarion?

 

[newklear]

Ace is speaking now, close to a hour late...

Saw Gwede Mantashe say pretty much the same word for word on ENCA.
So 10 minutes to go over Jacob Zuma's 'expensive' presentation and the rest of the day formulating their speech!

 

[Fulcrum29]

In before Mybroadband,

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Zuma Given Space to Weigh South African Graft Probe Response​

The top six leaders of South Africa’s ruling party held an online meeting with former President Jacob Zuma on Monday to discuss his refusal to testify before a panel that’s probing graft during his rule, but their seven hours of talks failed to produce a decisive outcome.

Zuma told the African National Congress’s leaders that he’d been subjected to unfair persecution and prosecution over the course of two decades, and it was agreed he be “given space” to decide on his next course of action, Ace Magashule, the party’s secretary-general, told reporters after the meeting.

“We all agreed there hasn’t been any intention to undermine the constitution of South Africa,” said Magashule, a close Zuma ally. “We couldn’t stop President Zuma from saying: ‘I’m consulting with lawyers, I’m still going to take my own decisions.”

In January, the Constitutional Court ordered Zuma to appear before a panel headed by Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo to respond to questions about the theft of state funds during his nine-year tenure. Zuma, 78, accused the panel of bias, skipped a scheduled hearing and dared the authorities to arrest him.

The panel responded by filing contempt charges against him and asked the apex court to jail him for for two years. His case is due to be heard on March 25. His conviction may help boost the authority of his successor Cyril Ramaphosa, who’s vowed to clamp down on graft.

The government has estimated that more than 500 billion rand ($33 billion) was stolen from state coffers during Zuma’s rule, and at least 40 witnesses who’ve appeared before Zondo have implicated the ex-president in the looting spree. Zuma, who the ruling party forced to quit in 2018 to stem a loss of electoral support, has denied wrongdoing and says the allegations against him are part of a smear campaign.

Zuma’s legal travails aren’t confined to his wrangling with the commission -- he’s also due to go on trial on May 17 on charges that he took bribes from arms dealers in the 1990s.

a rather quick article from Bloomberg.

 

[TheChamp]

Give him space to deal with his issues and also allow the law enforcement space to deal with him.

 

[Bewlen]

Expect a slap on the wrist and then "the debt is paid", hoping to get that gravy train back on the tracks asap, and the Zondo commission to be swept under the nearest rug with only a couple of lowlies getting some fines.
African solutions to african inconveniences

 

[Fulcrum29]

The SABC have a summarised article,

There was no intention by Zuma to undermine SA's Constitution: ANC - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

The ANC Top Six has maintained that there was no intention by former President Jacob Zuma to undermine the Constitution of the country by not appearing at the State Capture Commission.

www.sabcnews.com

There was no intention by Zuma to undermine SA’s Constitution: ANC​

Former President Jacob Zuma has taken part in a virtual meeting with the ANC's top leadership.

The African National Congress (ANC) Top Six has maintained that there was no intention by former President Jacob Zuma to undermine the Constitution of the country by not appearing at the State Capture Commission and he is afforded the same rights as any citizen under the Bill of Rights.

The party’s leadership has agreed to afford Zuma time and space to deal with the Constitutional Court and the Commission.

On Monday, Zuma took part in a virtual meeting with the ANC’s top leadership, including President Cyril Ramaphosa.

Briefing the media at Luthuli House in Johannesburg on the outcomes of that virtual meeting, the ANC Secretary General Ace Magashule says, “It was indeed a very good meeting, very constructive, positive, energising and giving hope to both the country and the African National Congress’ leadership and membership,” says Magashule.

Magashule says they discussed with the former President, issues such as the Constitution, the bill of rights, and have all agreed on the importance of the Constitution to the country.

According to Magashule, the former President made an extensive presentation on what prompted his decision to refuse to appear at the Zondo Commission.

“We all agreed that there has not been any intention to undermine the Constitution of South Africa. Comrade told the Top Six that he believes he has been subjected to unfair persecutions and prosecution over two decades and he emphasised that as a law-abiding citizen, he respects the Constitution and that he, too, is entitled to the basic rights as enshrined in the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa under the Bill of Rights,” says Magashule.

Magashule says the ANC leaders agreed “to give him space to continue consulting with his lawyers on these issues, which he has raised. Whether to appear before the Judicial Commission of Inquiry, we have left that matter because he will further consult with his lawyers.”

The Secretary General adds that the ANC and Zuma will continue to engage on other issues within the party.

what surprises me is how much emphasis is placed on whether Zuma will appear at the commission when this is now a matter is ConCourt pending. Was the ANC aware that he didn't answer the ConCourt today, he had every opportunity today to highlight his concerns to the ConCourt unless he is also planning to play coy or engage in Stalingrad tactics with the ConCourt. He didn't have to submit anything in person...

I believe interesting things may develop next week Monday, but the bigger question now is what will be happening to or on the 25th?

The Zondo Commission is counting its witness days, and I don't believe that more testimony will be received next month as they have to allocate time to their report and statements. Zuma's matter will rest with the ConCourt, and things may turn awry when it comes to the point where Zuma have two hearings running alongside each other which may turn out to be a complication regarding his availability.

Anyway, the ANC made their views known, they all agreed that Zuma had no intention to undermine the Constitution. Like the ANC had no intention to loot either...

 

[Grant]

and it was agreed he be “given space” to decide on his next course of action,

“We all agreed there hasn’t been any intention to undermine the constitution of South Africa,”

Would the same apply to everyone else choosing to ignore a court ruling?

The law has to be applied equally and fairly to all - or not applied at all.

Interesting times

 

[surface]

Still rubbish.

yes dalai lama. we are not the same.

 

[surface]

Exactly. However, he is playing the victim card. He has also learned to use social media, mostly managed by his daughter, to establish a presence within society. Whatever he is trying to achieve must rely on public sympathy, supported by celebrities, politicians and other ‘cadres’ who are pleading victim. All whilst scaling an attack against WMC and Ramaphosa.

It is a game, but what is the endgame?

When I look at this critically I don't like the puzzle pieces.

endgame is to stay out of jail till he dies. It is really not that hard to figure out. ANC doesn't have balls to do anything and justice system seems to be watching impotently.

 

[TheChamp]

Would the same apply to everyone else choosing to ignore a court ruling?

The law has to be applied equally and fairly to all - or not applied at all.

Interesting times

No, only those within the ANC. Whatever they spoke about with Zuma and agreed on has nothing to do with the law, all ANC business, so the question of applying it fairly and equally does not even arise.

 

[blah99]

Is this rot in jail yet?

 

[MachoPants]

The land of dictators is well under way.

 

[DreamKing]

ANC Top 6 gives Zuma ’space’ to deal with Zondo commission standoff​

ANC Top 6 gives Zuma ’space’ to deal with Zondo commission standoff

ANC secretary general Ace Magashule said ’law-abiding citizen' Zuma gave ’extensive’ input detailing what led him to take the decision to defy the commission.

www.iol.co.za

anc is above the cc.

viva anc ...... viva ........

 

[RonSwanson]

800 million rand of public funds since December and nothing to show for it. Does anyone other than myself see a pattern here?

 

[surface]

The land of dictators is well under way.

It almost feels like Mao's china to me and I was there.

 

[AlphaBravo]

If Zuma does not appear in court soon, then everyone in this country will become a law onto themselves, just like the Taxis.

 

[Brontosaurus]

Way too much optimism in this thread.

Zuma will never be arrested, and the ANC will lose no sleep over his little tantrums.

The ANC will also lose no voters, as time has so adequately proved; the ANC could literally set their supporters on fire, and they'd go straight to the polls, while burning, to put their mark exactly where it's been for the last however many years.

 

[Toxxyc]

Yeah heard this morning. Finally we are be able to do whatever the hell we want because the law no longer means anything.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

If Zuma does not appear in court soon, then everyone in this country will become a law onto themselves, just like the Taxis.

No it wont. Saffers are way too scared and obedient to become a law onto themselves. Zuma will stay free and we will continue to moan on social media. ANC knows this so they are chilled about all this. A few angry non-members (not "our people") is a small price to pay for Zumas freedom. All this is about is whether or not Zuma can retire in SA or not. If the cc follows through another Bushiri will go down.