Jacob Zuma openly defies Zondo commission, says he is ready to be jailed

Toxxyc

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What did you hear this morning that implies you can do as want?
Just another step in the wrong direction. Zuma is using excuse after excuse and he is not being arrested. If you or I don't do what the court commands, we are arrest. He gets excused and extended to ****.
 

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No it wont. Saffers are way too scared and obedient to become a law onto themselves. Zuma will stay free and we will continue to moan on social media. ANC knows this so they are chilled about all this. A few angry non-members (not "our people") is a small price to pay for Zumas freedom. All this is about is whether or not Zuma can retire in SA or not. If the cc follows through another Bushiri will go down.

Heh... I'd even go so far as to say even if the cc follows through, jack schit's happening to The God Emperor Zuma.

He knew this well before he made the decision to fob off the commission.
 

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No it wont. Saffers are way too scared and obedient to become a law onto themselves. Zuma will stay free and we will continue to moan on social media. ANC knows this so they are chilled about all this. A few angry non-members (not "our people") is a small price to pay for Zumas freedom. All this is about is whether or not Zuma can retire in SA or not. If the cc follows through another Bushiri will go down.

You seem to not really understand how precedent in the law works.

If Zuma gets away with what he is doing scott free, contempt of court charges become legally pretty much meaningless and any half incompetent lawyer will be able to bat them away in a heartbeat, and at that point any summons then becomes entirely unenforceable and largely our court structures collapse.. (bit extreme but its kind of the end outcome)
 

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You seem to not really understand how precedent in the law works.

If Zuma gets away with what he is doing scott free, contempt of court charges become legally pretty much meaningless and any half incompetent lawyer will be able to bat them away in a heartbeat, and at that point any summons then becomes entirely unenforceable and largely our court structures collapse.. (bit extreme but its kind of the end outcome)
You seem to not really understand how precedent in the law works - in an African banana republic, it does not mean anything.

In normal societies yes, but: Zuma is above the the law but it still applies to the man on the street. Zuma is royalty with special privilages and his own militia. Yes what you state is extreme and will not happen in SA.
 

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The problem here is that Jacob Zuma is not happy with a legal solution for his corruption. He is currently looking for a political solution. I do suspect that he may get one as well.
 

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You seem to not really understand how precedent in the law works.

If Zuma gets away with what he is doing scott free, contempt of court charges become legally pretty much meaningless and any half incompetent lawyer will be able to bat them away in a heartbeat, and at that point any summons then becomes entirely unenforceable and largely our court structures collapse.. (bit extreme but its kind of the end outcome)

It becomes precedent when an actual court ruling is given.

I do suspect that a presidential pardon may be on the cards to resolve this issue. Court cases will simply be struck off the role.
 

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It becomes precedent when an actual court ruling is given.

I do suspect that a presidential pardon may be on the cards to resolve this issue. Court cases will simply be struck off the role.

You can't get a pardon if he isn't convicted...
 
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You seem to not really understand how precedent in the law works - in an African banana republic, it does not mean anything.

In normal societies yes, but: Zuma is above the the law but it still applies to the man on the street. Zuma is royalty with special privilages and his own militia. Yes what you state is extreme and will not happen in SA.

Already happening... But, between Molefe thumbing his nose the decision to pay back the money, and this thing with Zuma.. There is no respect for the courts. And there is no enforcement of the disobedience. Thus, the court structure has already failed.
 

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Already happening... But, between Molefe thumbing his nose the decision to pay back the money, and this thing with Zuma.. There is no respect for the courts. And there is no enforcement of the disobedience. Thus, the court structure has already failed.
It has failed to apply justice to them but it will not fail applying justice to the man on the street. Not everybody has a militia and the ANC to protect them from justice. Not everybody has an endless supply of stolen tax money to pay legal fees.
 

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It has failed to apply justice to them but it will not fail applying justice to the man on the street. Not everybody has a militia and the ANC to protect them from justice. Not everybody has an endless supply of stolen tax money to pay legal fees.


Sure. It's working fine...
 

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It has failed to apply justice to them but it will not fail applying justice to the man on the street. Not everybody has a militia and the ANC to protect them from justice. Not everybody has an endless supply of stolen tax money to pay legal fees.

Well the whole story seems to be a great example as to why you may need to consider establishing a militia. Seems they are feared and above the law.
 
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