Jacob Zuma openly defies Zondo commission, says he is ready to be jailed

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Letting Zuma complete his term would have been a terrible idea.
Zuma was in full support of Mbeki's removal, Ramaphosa was in full support of Zuma's removal, it's as simple as that. What they did to be on the right side pf politics is a different thing.
 

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Zuma was in full support of Mbeki's removal, Ramaphosa was in full support of Zuma's removal, it's as simple as that. What they did to be on the right side pf politics is a different thing.
Yeah, obviously as president at the time, Zuma would not have publicly endorsed the removal. But he was secretly mobilising.
 

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'I SEE YOU AS MY LEADER': ANC DISTANCES ITSELF FROM CLIP OF RAMAPHOSA ON ZUMA​

In the one minute-48 second leaked clip, Ramaphosa can be heard clearly saying he saw his predecessor as a leader and an elder.

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Meanwhile, ANC national spokesperson Pule Mabe said the party knew nothing about the clip.

“We would not have sanctioned the distribution of a clip purporting to a meeting that might have been had between officials and former President Jacob Zuma.”
 

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Zuma to campaign for the ANC for the upcoming local government elections: Paul Mashatile​


ANC Treasurer General Paul Mashatile has revealed that former President Jacob Zuma will be campaigning for the ANC for the upcoming local government elections.

Local government elections will take place between August and November this year despite calls from the EFF and some sections of the ANC for the municipal polls to be postponed.

Adjustments will be made as to how the elections are conducted, according to President Cyril Ramaphosa.

Mashatile was commenting on the meeting Zuma had last week with the top six officials of the party following his decision not to participate in the State Capture Commission.

Zuma’s decision is in defiance of a Constitutional Court order that he obey a summons from the Commission.

Leaked excerpts of the meeting have been doing the rounds on social media with Mashatile slamming the source as ill-disciplined.

Clearly it is then in the ANC's interest to have Zuma go campaigning. On the one side they must champion the Constitution as the state, but on the other side they must champion the ANC. The question is which is more important, the Constitution or the ANC?

 

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What the actual f? Do all other accused get asked by the judge what their sanction should be?


Good view, but it is a eNCA piece so it is likely to be deemed as nonsense.
 

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Clearly it is then in the ANC's interest to have Zuma go campaigning. On the one side they must champion the Constitution as the state, but on the other side they must champion the ANC. The question is which is more important, the Constitution or the ANC?

The last thing they want is to give him another opportunity to cry victim and use it as a distraction to his own battles, creating a sideshow on whether he should campaign or not does not help the ANC in any way. Let him campaign if he wants to, he is still a member of the ANC.
 

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The last thing they want is to give him another opportunity to cry victim and use it as a distraction to his own battles, creating a sideshow on whether he should campaign or not does not help the ANC in any way. Let him campaign if he wants to, he is still a member of the ANC.

All still to be seen, the arms deal corruption trial is set to begin on May 17th and will last to somewhere June. Zuma is going to have ample opportunity to cry victim at these hearings. I do wonder whether he, or RET, will mobilise a political branded podium at the courtroom which is a popular politicking tool by both "RET" and the EFF.

How Zuma's circumstances will look like between August and November will be telling. Him campaigning while legally in doubt, I am sure him in promoting the ANC will also be promoting his public position. Something tells me that a possibility exists wherein the ConCourt can sit on the current matter until the State Capture Commission's term comes to an end, taking the arms deal corruption trial under consideration.

I agree, restricting Zuma will give him more space to clear his throat, however in my view Zuma is now a Constitutional dilemma which is not the best democratic consequence the ANC would want to be in.
 

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Something tells me that a possibility exists wherein the ConCourt can sit on the current matter until the State Capture Commission's term comes to an end, taking the arms deal corruption trial under consideration.
That's still BS.

He can appear in court for another crime while serving a sentence.

Maybe they should ask him what his preference is...
 

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That's still BS.

He can appear in court for another crime while serving a sentence.

Maybe they should ask him what his preference is...

Of course, it is bullschit, the law fraternity is also now in the view that the ConCourt is giving Zuma preferential treatment claiming the issued directions as unprecedented.

Personally I believe that the eight judges are in disagreement. The question is for how long the ConCourt is going to sit on this reserved judgement?

I would like to point out that this is a judgement in the best interest of the public, but that it is politically influenced.
 

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AUDIO LEAK REVEALS DUARTE BACKING ZUMA IN ZONDO INQUIRY FIGHT, MOGOENG CRITICISM​

ANC deputy secretary-general Jessie Duarte made her feelings strongly known in the almost nine-minute-long clip making the rounds on social media.

JOHANNESBURG - More African National Congress (ANC) top six audio leaks from their meeting with Jacob Zuma have surfaced, this time with Jessie Duarte supporting the former president’s decision not to return to testify before Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo at the state capture commission of inquiry.

Duarte also criticised Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng, describing him as the greatest disappointment.

Last week, a clip of ANC president Cyril Ramaphosa responding to Zuma was also circulated on social media.

The ANC’s top six met with the former president last month to understand his decision to defy a Constitutional Court order for him to return to the commission.

Duarte has previously apologised for remarks made questioning the Zondo Commission and the ANC has affirmed its support for the inquiry.

ANC deputy secretary-general Jessie Duarte made her feelings strongly known in the almost nine-minute-long clip making the rounds on social media.

In lambasting Zondo, she argued that the state capture commission seemed to have turned into a court, with a prosecutorial attitude to those submitting evidence.

Duarte also backed Zuma’s decision to no longer appear before Zondo.

 

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I wonder who recorded and is leaking these. Probably Zuma's SSA and it is curious that the ANC are treating the recording of their meeting and leaks so lightly.

“One of the things I feel that, as a top six, we must discuss is whether or not transformation in this judiciary has in fact taken place. Why is it that whenever we go to the North Gauteng High Court, we know that we will lose… It’s almost a given that if we go to Dunstan Mlambo we will lose the case. It’s almost a given that if Judge (John) Hlophe in the Western Cape listens to a matter, the ANC will come out better,” she said.
So the judiciary are compromised (and from evidence at the commission this was done or tried by Zuma's goons at SSA), yet Hlophe's hearing are fair but the ones that go against the ANC suggest the Gauteng high court is biased. Delusional.
 

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So the judiciary are compromised (and from evidence at the commission this was done or tried by Zuma's goons at SSA), yet Hlophe's hearing are fair but the ones that go against the ANC suggest the Gauteng high court is biased. Delusional.
Hlophe's also the one who has been found guilty of gross misconduct. So why are in favour of a delinquent judge?
 

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The level of delusion is just astounding.

I shouldn't be surprised by it, but I still am when they say crap like this.
As for the court comments, that statement alone actually paints a really bad picture of Hlophe, he favours the ANC. Dustan Mlambo on the other may not, but the question then arises is how many of his rulings have been overturned on appeal?

But we all know that Jessie is a complete sellout and will back whatever horse will line her pockets the best, and I can only imagine she is worried that the "clean up" campaign will see her out on her arse.
 

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I wonder who recorded and is leaking these. Probably Zuma's SSA and it is curious that the ANC are treating the recording of their meeting and leaks so lightly.


So the judiciary are compromised (and from evidence at the commission this was done or tried by Zuma's goons at SSA), yet Hlophe's hearing are fair but the ones that go against the ANC suggest the Gauteng high court is biased. Delusional.

Stephen Grootes made two analytical arguments which was published in the Daily Maverick,

one deliberating dissemination,

Stop believing your lying eyes: Deepfakes are coming, and they might reshape SA’s politics​


Politics is going to get dirtier and rougher, and voters will have to become more and more cynical. We may soon no longer be able to believe our eyes and ears and will have to disregard anything that is not a live transmission.​



and the other deliberating the Constitutional Court,


Mogoeng’s opening Zuma gambit could be the best tactical move of the game​


The Chief Justice has put former president Jacob Zuma on the back foot in his stand-off with the Zondo Commission. In a case this important, his action could be the masterstroke that changes the political and legal equations around the issue.​


I am not going to bring my own viewpoints on Grootes's analysis into this discussion, but I have an idea that our law has becomes entangled and intertwined in politics. Spin to weave...

All in all, the ANC still attracts Zuma/Ace support, and I am sure they would want to retain or can I say balance the public perception. Votes and the public interest are always a priority no matter what your party colours.
 

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Stephen Grootes made two analytical arguments which was published in the Daily Maverick,

one deliberating dissemination,




and the other deliberating the Constitutional Court,




I am not going to bring my own viewpoints on Grootes's analysis into this discussion, but I have an idea that our law has becomes entangled and intertwined in politics. Spin to weave...

All in all, the ANC still attracts Zuma/Ace support, and I am sure they would want to retain or can I say balance the public perception. Votes and the public interest are always a priority no matter what your party colours.
The ANC are a curious bunch. When faced with an obvious problem, say a rogue member like Zuma, they'd rather have the law accommodate them than let the law deal with their wild child. So, what Duarte is saying here is that the ANC should "transform" the judiciary by removing judges who are too independent and replace them with ones who can see things from the ANC point of view. Even if the replacements are as flawed and unethical as Hlophe. They'd be totally okay with that as long as those judges don't make a habit of ruling against the ANC. Again, more evidence that they see themselves first before the country and the people they pretend to be serving.
 
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